Re: [rtcweb] Call for Consensus Regarding Selecting Recommended Audio Codecs

Adam Roach <adam@nostrum.com> Fri, 18 January 2013 04:12 UTC

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Subject: Re: [rtcweb] Call for Consensus Regarding Selecting Recommended Audio Codecs
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Keith:

I've written and discarded three rather long missives in response to 
your goading, but found none of them to be as concise and lucid as 
Martin and Andrew's responses. I'm going to let their messages stand in 
for my clarification, as they both get it right.

/a

On 1/17/13 18:11, DRAGE, Keith (Keith) wrote:
> Integration, testing, and perpetual maintenance have absolutely nothing to do with the IPR question. I don't see any mention of any of Integration,
> testing, and perpetual maintenance in any of the statements about WG responsibilities in IPR.
>
> You are adopting the policy of saying everything you input is relevant to the argument and everything anybody else says in irrelevant.
>
> Regards
>
> Keith
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: rtcweb-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:rtcweb-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf
>> Of Adam Roach
>> Sent: 17 January 2013 19:07
>> To: Steve Sokol
>> Cc: rtcweb@ietf.org
>> Subject: Re: [rtcweb] Call for Consensus Regarding Selecting Recommended
>> Audio Codecs
>>
>> On 1/17/13 12:00, Steve Sokol wrote:
>>> While it is not an optimal "internet codec", it costs nothing to to
>>> include G.722, so perhaps we can all agree that it should be included
>>> unless there is some reason not to do so.
>>>
>> By which you mean it adds nothing to the licensing cost. Integration,
>> testing, and perpetual maintenance are not free.
>>
>> /a
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