Re: [rtcweb] revisiting MTI

Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com> Tue, 16 December 2014 15:08 UTC

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From: Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com>
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Subject: Re: [rtcweb] revisiting MTI
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On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 7:03 AM, John Leslie <john@jlc.net> wrote:
>
> Adam Roach <adam@nostrum.com> wrote:
> > On 12/15/14 16:24, Peter Saint-Andre - &yet wrote:
> >> On 12/15/14, 3:22 PM, Adam Roach wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I agree 100%, but I don't think we need to get consensus on what this
> >>> effort might look like 10 years in the future. Let's leave tomorrow's
> >>> battles for tomorrow, or we'll never make progress.
> >>
> >> Yes, that's why I'm now saying to leave out all future-oriented text.
> >
> > I take the point, but there is one key future-looking component of the
> > current accord. Leaving it undocumented basically violates the agreement
> > that many people have signed up for...
>
>    This bothers me enough, even after sleeping on it, to comment:
>
>    We are watching a model of "back room deals" such as the US Congress
> uses. I strongly believe we should reject this model.
>
>    (That doesn't mean we need to reject the consensus called by a WGC.)
>
>    The US Congress typically includes the text of every "important"
> lobbyist in the final bill; and expects the congress-critters to vote
> for it pretty much sight-unseen. The "leadership" tells the individual
> members what to vote for.
>
>    Here, not only do we have Adam Roach defending the back-room deal, we
> have the WGCs failing to post an "official" version of the text we are
> consenting to.
>
>    I cry "TILT"! Let's have the WGC calling consensus publish the
> text we're being asked to consent to.
>

Huh? The relevant text is here:

https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-rtcweb-video-03#section-5

-Ekr