Re: [rtcweb] WebRTC JS object API with SDP shim option
Peter Thatcher <pthatcher@google.com> Thu, 20 June 2013 17:23 UTC
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Subject: Re: [rtcweb] WebRTC JS object API with SDP shim option
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On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 9:54 AM, Robin Raymond <robin@hookflash.com> wrote: > > You are right. It's time for those of us who are begging for an > alternative to SDP to come up with an alternative. > > I'm willing to lead such an effort. I just ask others to please have an > open mind. I absolutely do understand the need for the SIP world to have an > easy API they can use for SDP. But I also know SDP as an primary surface > API is making anything beyond a basic calling a requirement to mangle SDP > as a mechanism to control and obtain properties from an underlying > media/RTC engine. > > I think there is a really good compromise. That is to provide an API that > will adhere to the security policies needed (e.g. respects the need to > require ICE establishment), but provides a simple shim API similar to what > people already have with SDP but not be required to use for those who want > to a more direct approach. > > There's no need to "burn" the entire thing to the ground and start over > and that is _not_ my desire. > > This WebRTC thing must succeed but I can't imagine the W3C accepting our > proposal for mangling SDP as a primary surface API to do common edge case > scenarios. WIth an alternative proposal that satisfies both camps, I > believe they could accept and we can stop the anit-SDP crowd grumblings > once and for all. > > To that end I'm going to write two drafts: > draft-raymond-webrtc-js-object-api-rationale-00 (to explain requirements, > philosophy, methodology, benefits/pitfalls, use cases that are > difficult/impossible with SDP+O/A) > draft-raymond-webrtc-js-object-api-00 (to outline the actual API) > > Plus, I'll produce a shim on top of whatever API that will allow the SDP > folks to have a simple SDP based API similar to what exists now but is > entirely written in JavaScript to prove that this can be done. > > How are you going to test that shim without a working implementation of the clean API? One thing you could do is build a shim of clean API -> SDP. Then, you'd have two shims which would make a fun combination (SDP -> clean API -> SDP) and you're prove that SDP munging and the clean API are equivalent in power. Or you could fork Chrome or Firefox. Either way, you have a lot of work ahead of you. Best of luck. > I really want a viable solutions for all interested in having a really > good proposal API to ultimately become accepted by the W3C. > > If anyone has anything I should add to either of these drafts or wants to > be involved, please contact me. > > -Robin > > > Christer Holmberg <christer.holmberg@ericsson.com> > 20 June, 2013 12:55 AM > Hi, > > > At the virtual interim, the Plan A and Plan B folks were asked to sit down > and try to come up with a compromise "Plan AB" solution. > > I guess it would be good if people that don't want SDP could try to come > up with a compromise "CU No Plan" solution :) > > Regards, > > Christer > > > _______________________________________________ > rtcweb mailing list > rtcweb@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtcweb > >
- [rtcweb] WebRTC JS object API with SDP shim option Robin Raymond
- Re: [rtcweb] WebRTC JS object API with SDP shim o… Peter Thatcher
- Re: [rtcweb] WebRTC JS object API with SDP shim o… Robin Raymond
- Re: [rtcweb] WebRTC JS object API with SDP shim o… Bernard Aboba
- Re: [rtcweb] WebRTC JS object API with SDP shim o… Robin Raymond
- Re: [rtcweb] WebRTC JS object API with SDP shim o… Peter Thatcher
- Re: [rtcweb] WebRTC JS object API with SDP shim o… Bernard Aboba
- Re: [rtcweb] WebRTC JS object API with SDP shim o… Iñaki Baz Castillo
- Re: [rtcweb] WebRTC JS object API with SDP shim o… Bossiel thioriguel
- Re: [rtcweb] WebRTC JS object API with SDP shim o… Roman Shpount