Re: [rtcweb] WG Action: Rechartered Real-Time Communication in WEB-browsers (rtcweb)
Justin Uberti <juberti@google.com> Mon, 08 March 2021 19:31 UTC
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From: Justin Uberti <juberti@google.com>
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Subject: Re: [rtcweb] WG Action: Rechartered Real-Time Communication in WEB-browsers (rtcweb)
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The slides have been reworked based on feedback that was provided. Here's the latest version that I plan to present on Friday. On Wed, Feb 24, 2021 at 1:44 PM Justin Uberti <juberti@google.com> wrote: > Here's an initial set of slides that I put together the other day, still a > few ??? to address: > https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1aprC-TwmLI_zGdWgnTdKVYvaqXNkcf9eMgMhAIzv8Ek/edit?usp=sharing&resourcekey=0-8HY7ugai8XnQyH4sA8cQdA. > Please have a look and feel free to leave comments in the preso. > > On Sat, Feb 20, 2021 at 1:53 PM Christer Holmberg <christer.holmberg= > 40ericsson.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote: > >> Hi Roman, >> >> >> >> >You are probably the most qualified to do so. Let me know if you need >> any help regarding the current implementation status or backward interop >> testing. >> >> >> >> I don’t have much information, so feel free to send me whatever you have >> :) >> >> >> >> Regards, >> >> >> >> Christer >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sat, Feb 20, 2021 at 1:25 PM Christer Holmberg <christer.holmberg= >> 40ericsson.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> >> >> I could present the JSEP/BUNDLE specification misalignment, unless >> someone else wants to. >> >> >> >> Regards, >> >> >> >> Christer >> >> >> >> *From:* rtcweb <rtcweb-bounces@ietf.org> *On Behalf Of *Ted Hardie >> *Sent:* perjantai 19. helmikuuta 2021 20.11 >> *To:* RTCWeb IETF <rtcweb@ietf.org> >> *Cc:* rtcweb-chairs@ietf.org >> *Subject:* Re: [rtcweb] WG Action: Rechartered Real-Time Communication >> in WEB-browsers (rtcweb) >> >> >> >> And we're back. >> >> >> >> This is hopefully for a limited engagement, as the charter is quite >> pointed on what we have to do. >> >> >> >> We do have a meeting slot at IETF 110, Friday March 12, 12:00 UTC (the >> first slot on the final day, in other words). The bulk of the time will be >> spent on the handling of "m=" sections that are designated as bundle-only. >> If you want to present on this, please send a note to the WG as soon as >> possible. If you have some other agenda item, please let Sean and me know, >> and we'll discuss it with you. >> >> >> >> thanks, >> >> >> >> Ted and Sean >> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 9:42 AM The IESG <iesg-secretary@ietf.org> wrote: >> >> The Real-Time Communication in WEB-browsers (rtcweb) WG in the >> Applications >> and Real-Time Area of the IETF has been rechartered. For additional >> information, please contact the Area Directors or the WG Chairs. >> >> Real-Time Communication in WEB-browsers (rtcweb) >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Current status: Proposed WG >> >> Chairs: >> Sean Turner <sean+ietf@sn3rd.com> >> Ted Hardie <ted.ietf@gmail.com> >> >> Assigned Area Director: >> Murray Kucherawy <superuser@gmail.com> >> >> Applications and Real-Time Area Directors: >> Barry Leiba <barryleiba@computer.org> >> Murray Kucherawy <superuser@gmail.com> >> >> Mailing list: >> Address: rtcweb@ietf.org >> To subscribe: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtcweb >> Archive: https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/rtcweb/ >> >> Group page: https://datatracker.ietf.org/group/rtcweb/ >> >> Charter: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/charter-ietf-rtcweb/ >> >> The RTCWEB working group was originally chartered to standardize >> mechanisms >> that provide direct interactive rich communication using audio, video, >> collaboration, games, etc. between two peers' web-browsers, without >> requiring >> non-standard extensions or proprietary plug-ins. The result was a set of >> RFCs from RTCWEB, in addition to many other RFCs from other working >> groups, >> all of which are interrelated and had to be published together in what the >> RFC Editor refers to as a “cluster”. In the end, that cluster comprised >> more >> than 40 RFCs and was finally published in January 2021. >> >> During the run-up to publication of the cluster, a contradiction was >> identified between what became RFCs 8829 and 8843. A description of this >> contradiction was added to both documents to highlight the problem, and >> state >> our intention to proceed with publication but quickly initiate an effort >> to >> publish updates to the affected documents. >> >> The key part of the added text was as follows: >> >> “The specific issue involves the handling of "m=" sections that are >> designated as bundle-only, as discussed in Section 4.1.1 of [RFC 8829]. >> Currently, there is divergence between JSEP and BUNDLE, as well as between >> these specifications and existing browser implementations …” >> >> The working group is being reconstituted to take up this contradiction, >> come >> to consensus on a resolution, and issue Standards Track updates for those >> two >> documents. Specifically, the goal of this work is to address only the >> contradictions regarding "bundle-only" between BUNDLE and JSEP. The >> resulting aligned solution should avoid impacting the interoperability >> with >> SDP Offer/Answer. Finally, the impact on existing implementations that >> are >> affected by any change is to be considered. >> >> draft-ietf-rtcweb-sdp, which has not yet been published, will be returned >> to >> the working group to be updated according to the resolution of the issue >> described above. The working group will therefore produce updates to the >> JSEP and BUNDLE documents, and re-submit draft-ietf-rtcweb-sdp for >> publication after it has been revised. Updating any other document, or >> taking up any other issue, is out of scope and will require IESG approval >> via >> rechartering. >> >> Coordination with the MMUSIC working group to develop this solution will >> be >> required. >> >> Milestones: >> >> Aug 2021 - Update to draft-ietf-rtcweb-sdp to the IESG as Informational. >> >> Aug 2021 - Updates to the JSEP and BUNDLE documents to the IESG as >> Proposed >> Standard. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> rtcweb mailing list >> rtcweb@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtcweb >> >> _______________________________________________ >> rtcweb mailing list >> rtcweb@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtcweb >> >
- [rtcweb] WG Action: Rechartered Real-Time Communi… The IESG
- Re: [rtcweb] WG Action: Rechartered Real-Time Com… Ted Hardie
- Re: [rtcweb] WG Action: Rechartered Real-Time Com… Christer Holmberg
- Re: [rtcweb] WG Action: Rechartered Real-Time Com… Roman Shpount
- Re: [rtcweb] WG Action: Rechartered Real-Time Com… Christer Holmberg
- Re: [rtcweb] WG Action: Rechartered Real-Time Com… Justin Uberti
- Re: [rtcweb] WG Action: Rechartered Real-Time Com… Justin Uberti
- Re: [rtcweb] WG Action: Rechartered Real-Time Com… Sean Turner