Re: [rtcweb] division of responsibilities (was: Draft agenda for IETF 87)

Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com> Fri, 12 July 2013 17:54 UTC

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Subject: Re: [rtcweb] division of responsibilities (was: Draft agenda for IETF 87)
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On 12 July 2013 10:42, Cullen Jennings (fluffy) <fluffy@cisco.com> wrote:
> On Jul 12, 2013, at 9:04 AM, Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
>  wrote:
>> With all respect
>> to the chairs, that's not something I trust them to rule on at this
>> point.
>
> just to be clear, I don't think the RTCWeb chairs have done anything remotely close to a ruling on this. We have taken censuses calls on the use of 3264 O/A.

I didn't mean to imply that a ruling has been made.  To a large
extent, we haven't even discussed the issue that no-plan represents.
That's a large part of where my concern derives from.

It's a tricky situation: chairs have to make rulings on the
appropriate venue for discussion, but when that ruling seems to be
predicated on having a technical decision, it creates a bind.