Re: [rtcweb] Filling in details on "trickle ICE"

Emil Ivov <emcho@jitsi.org> Mon, 27 August 2012 22:04 UTC

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Subject: Re: [rtcweb] Filling in details on "trickle ICE"
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On 27.08.12, 23:51, Bernard Aboba wrote:
> Right. 
> 
>  XEP-0176 Sections 5.5-5.9 does describe how various aspects of "Trickle
> ICE" are handled in XMPP/Jingle, answering a number of the questions
> asked in Eric's original post (see
> http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/rtcweb/current/msg05121.html). 
> These sections are consistent with RFC 5245 with respect to STUN/TURN
> behavior, so that it isn't clear to me that a revision of RFC 5245 is
> needed.  Or am I missing something?

Well an ICE stack that implements trickle as per XEP-0176 would
currently not interoperate with a 5245 implementation or, at best, would
lead to unpredictable results.

The description in XEP-0176 is actually quite perfunctory and can't
really be considered a proper specification.

A document that describes a proper way of implementing this would hence
be quite helpful.

Emil

> 
> Peter St. Andre said:
> 
>>>  I believe that with Jingle, there is a written spec for that, and
> for SIP, there is not (at present).
>>
>> Correct: http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0176.html
>>
>> /psa
> 
> Eric Rescorla said:
> 
> I've been working on doing Firefox's trickle ICE implementation and
> have had to make a bunch of decisions that suggest to me that perhaps
> we need an update to RFC 5245 to specify exactly how trickle ICE
> behaves. Here are some of the things we need to resolve.....
> 
> 
> 
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