Re: [rtcweb] Alternative decision process in RTCWeb

Dave Crocker <dhc@dcrocker.net> Mon, 02 December 2013 19:41 UTC

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On 11/29/2013 12:22 AM, Roberto Peon wrote:
> The only reason to specify a must-implement is to increase interop; if
> mandating a codec does not increase the amount of interop, why do it?


If the base specification does not provide enough information for basic 
interoperability, what is the benefit in standardizing it?

An alternative that I believe has already been mentioned is to 
standardize /both/, but separately.

Under two different names, which then lets the market decide on whether 
either will succeed.

Letting the market decide amongst competing choices used to be something 
the IETF did more commonly.  One of the more colorful examples was SNMP 
vs. CMOT.

d/

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Dave Crocker
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