Re: [rtcweb] Google VP8 Patent Grant for third parties [Was Re:Proposal for H.263 baseline codec]

"Olle E. Johansson" <oej@edvina.net> Thu, 12 April 2012 07:21 UTC

Return-Path: <oej@edvina.net>
X-Original-To: rtcweb@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: rtcweb@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FB7421F85C7 for <rtcweb@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 12 Apr 2012 00:21:42 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -2.6
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001]
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Tvtrv7tuniOD for <rtcweb@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 12 Apr 2012 00:21:41 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from smtp7.webway.se (smtp7.webway.se [IPv6:2a02:920:212e::205]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E7D721F85BB for <rtcweb@ietf.org>; Thu, 12 Apr 2012 00:21:40 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from [IPv6:2001:16d8:cc57:1000::42:1008] (unknown [IPv6:2001:16d8:cc57:1000::42:1008]) by smtp7.webway.se (Postfix) with ESMTPA id CD3DA754A8AA; Thu, 12 Apr 2012 07:21:38 +0000 (UTC)
Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257)
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
From: "Olle E. Johansson" <oej@edvina.net>
In-Reply-To: <CAOHm=4tqcwmU9OJNYv4-x4GO6z4AYijd3LFcQq=q1_210FhyJg@mail.gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 09:21:37 +0200
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Message-Id: <C61152E2-AA0A-4EA1-A4E9-CFE526A3A808@edvina.net>
References: <CAMKM2Ly-xnVEciL941uOu1Bgwc-wssZ7HNkQuBhsCcgyqfuk5Q@mail.gmail.com> <03ac01cd120d$0ffe95f0$2ffbc1d0$@packetizer.com> <4F7BCD1A.7020508@librevideo.org> <03e301cd1223$153e6b60$3fbb4220$@packetizer.com> <4F7C4FB4.4070703@librevideo.org> <007b01cd12f7$fbcd72e0$f36858a0$@packetizer.com> <CAOHm=4tqcwmU9OJNYv4-x4GO6z4AYijd3LFcQq=q1_210FhyJg@mail.gmail.com>
To: Dean Willis <dean.willis@softarmor.com>
X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257)
Cc: rtcweb@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [rtcweb] Google VP8 Patent Grant for third parties [Was Re:Proposal for H.263 baseline codec]
X-BeenThere: rtcweb@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12
Precedence: list
List-Id: Real-Time Communication in WEB-browsers working group list <rtcweb.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/rtcweb>, <mailto:rtcweb-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/rtcweb>
List-Post: <mailto:rtcweb@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:rtcweb-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtcweb>, <mailto:rtcweb-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 07:21:42 -0000

12 apr 2012 kl. 08:50 skrev Dean Willis:

> So what I'm saying is that it doesn't matter whether you use H.264 or VP8; you're eventually going to get sued by somebody, and it's going to be expensive and annoying. Build in a revenue margin to plan for it. But there is an argument to make that if you use H.264, you know that somebody with an M in their name is going to be involved SOON unless you fork out cash in advance, whereas if you use VP8, you can hope to maybe wait longer for the surprise and can save your money until then.
> 
> That said, they both still make me nervous. Can't we just use tin cans and string? ;-)
> 

This is really bad news for Open Source. Even if we try to get a way to pay for licenses, our business model is far away from understandable for most of the syndicates. I tried with the AMR codec once and it stopped at initial order quantity. Anything under 10.000 licenses was not up for discussion.

G.729 is available on one-by-one basis which both Asterisk and FreeSwitch sell to users... I have no insight into how these agreements was worked out, but it at least indicates that someone tries to open up.

/O