Re: [rtcweb] New Version Notification for draft-jesup-rtcweb-data-01.txt

Hadriel Kaplan <HKaplan@acmepacket.com> Mon, 14 November 2011 12:29 UTC

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From: Hadriel Kaplan <HKaplan@acmepacket.com>
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On Nov 14, 2011, at 6:20 AM, Wolfgang Beck wrote:

> Now it gets interesting: who is responsible for the rtcweb-data content?
> 
> if it is the browser:
> - every new application will have to be standardized.
> - for every new application, the browser has to be updated.
> ***whether we do server-to-server or not***

No only the psuedo-transport layer is being standardized - i.e., SCTP/DTLS/UDP.  What goes on top of that (i.e., what the JS actually communicates) would be whatever the JS wants and thus yes of course it would only truly "work" if the same JS was used on both peers or someone went and defined some specific application protocols for it.  That might actually happen - like if someone went and defined an IM protocol to run on the data-channel they could create a spec for it for other web-apps to be able to interoperate.  (or a JS library doing something over the data channel could become so popular as to be a defacto spec for one)

-hadriel