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Re: [rtcweb] [MMUSIC] [clue] ICE, ICE-bis, and Cluster 238

Christer Holmberg <christer.holmberg@ericsson.com> Sat, 08 September 2018 07:48 UTC

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From: Christer Holmberg <christer.holmberg@ericsson.com>
To: Nils Ohlmeier <nohlmeier@mozilla.com>, Cullen Jennings <fluffy@iii.ca>
CC: Applications and Real-Time Area Discussion <art@ietf.org>, RTCWeb IETF <rtcweb@ietf.org>, "mmusic@ietf.org" <mmusic@ietf.org>, "clue@ietf.org" <clue@ietf.org>, "ice@ietf.org" <ice@ietf.org>
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Subject: Re: [rtcweb] [MMUSIC] [clue] ICE, ICE-bis, and Cluster 238
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Hi Nils,

>> Cisco has implemented stuff that is WebRTC 1.0 compliant without this change. These 
>> gratuitous changes, years after the implementation were coded, with no real benefit 
>> will ensure that we are not and will not become compliant with the RFC. It's unlikely we 
>> will upgrade to the new ICE until it has real befits. It is doubtful Justin will want to implement 
>> the 8445 mechanisms of supporting both new and old ICE. Instead, we will move to say "works 
>> with Browser X version Y or later.”
>
> Obviously I’m not Justin.
> But the current plan for Firefox is to implement support for 8845 some time in 2019 and then have 
> support for 5245 and 8845 going forward.

Do you have any ideas, on a high level, how big the differences will be?

Regards,

Christer

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