Re: [rtcweb] A plea for simplicity, marketability - and... who are we designing RTCWEB for?
Iñaki Baz Castillo <ibc@aliax.net> Wed, 19 October 2011 15:09 UTC
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Subject: Re: [rtcweb] A plea for simplicity, marketability - and... who are we designing RTCWEB for?
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2011/10/19 Dan York <dan-ietf@danyork.org>: > The question is - will the RTCWEB/WEBRTC API/protocol/whatever be so simple > and easy that web developers will choose to use it over > Flash/Phono/Twilio/Java/whatever to add RTC functions to their web apps? You miss the fact that RTCweb is a technology, not a JavaScript library. When RTCweb becomes a reality there will appear thousands of JavaScript libraries implementing a custom signaling protocol. Web developers will choose the best one or the easiest one, in the same way lot of web developers include JQuery library for making JS effects and manage the DOM in their web pages without knowing aout JQuery internals. RTC is about realtime communication. Web is not about communication, so we cannot expect to build "something" that requires no knowledge or RTC protocols. Web developers will choose some existing and successful RTCweb JS library and include it within their web apps. Of course, it also requires some code in the server, but that will be not so hard, and 100% feasible using PHP or whatever language. RTCweb means real integration of VoIP in the WWW world. So VoIP folks must learn something about WWW and WWW folks must learn something about VoIP (not too much when RTCweb JS libraries appear). A web developer has not the right to claim "I want cool new features but I don't want to learn new stuff". Take a look to Google Maps (web version). It contains a really complex JavaScript logic, but the tools are there available for any one (it's JavaScript and AJAX in the client side, no more) and any developer could code something similar (having enough knowledge). And I've not seen a web developer complaining because "doing it is so hard". Regards. -- Iñaki Baz Castillo <ibc@aliax.net>
- Re: [rtcweb] A plea for simplicity, marketability… Bernard Aboba
- Re: [rtcweb] A plea for simplicity, marketability… Saúl Ibarra Corretgé
- Re: [rtcweb] A plea for simplicity, marketability… Iñaki Baz Castillo
- Re: [rtcweb] A plea for simplicity, marketability… Saúl Ibarra Corretgé
- [rtcweb] A plea for simplicity, marketability - a… Dan York
- Re: [rtcweb] A plea for simplicity, marketability… Harald Alvestrand
- Re: [rtcweb] A plea for simplicity, marketability… Iñaki Baz Castillo
- Re: [rtcweb] A plea for simplicity, marketability… Wolfgang Beck
- Re: [rtcweb] A plea for simplicity, marketability… Aaron Clauson
- Re: [rtcweb] A plea for simplicity, marketability… Cullen Jennings
- Re: [rtcweb] A plea for simplicity, marketability… Cullen Jennings
- Re: [rtcweb] A plea for simplicity, marketability… Bernard Aboba
- Re: [rtcweb] A plea for simplicity, marketability… Iñaki Baz Castillo
- Re: [rtcweb] A plea for simplicity, marketability… Olle E. Johansson
- Re: [rtcweb] A plea for simplicity, marketability… Iñaki Baz Castillo
- Re: [rtcweb] Single-origin and consent Bernard Aboba
- Re: [rtcweb] A plea for simplicity, marketability… Roman Shpount
- Re: [rtcweb] A plea for simplicity, marketability… Roman Shpount
- Re: [rtcweb] A plea for simplicity, marketability… Iñaki Baz Castillo
- Re: [rtcweb] A plea for simplicity, marketability… Olle E. Johansson
- Re: [rtcweb] A plea for simplicity, marketability… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [rtcweb] A plea for simplicity, marketability… Roman Shpount
- Re: [rtcweb] A plea for simplicity, marketability… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [rtcweb] A plea for simplicity, marketability… Iñaki Baz Castillo
- Re: [rtcweb] A plea for simplicity, marketability… Bernard Aboba
- [rtcweb] Single-origin and consent Randell Jesup
- Re: [rtcweb] Single-origin and consent Harald Alvestrand
- Re: [rtcweb] A plea for simplicity, marketability… Ravindran Parthasarathi
- Re: [rtcweb] A plea for simplicity, marketability… Iñaki Baz Castillo
- Re: [rtcweb] A plea for simplicity, marketability… Wolfgang Beck
- Re: [rtcweb] A plea for simplicity, marketability… Iñaki Baz Castillo
- Re: [rtcweb] A plea for simplicity, marketability… Randell Jesup
- Re: [rtcweb] A plea for simplicity, marketability… Iñaki Baz Castillo
- Re: [rtcweb] A plea for simplicity, marketability… Iñaki Baz Castillo
- Re: [rtcweb] A plea for simplicity, marketability… Matthew Kaufman
- Re: [rtcweb] A plea for simplicity, marketability… Harald Alvestrand
- Re: [rtcweb] A plea for simplicity, marketability… Wolfgang Beck
- Re: [rtcweb] A plea for simplicity, marketability… Iñaki Baz Castillo
- Re: [rtcweb] A plea for simplicity, marketability… Wolfgang Beck
- Re: [rtcweb] A plea for simplicity, marketability… Iñaki Baz Castillo
- Re: [rtcweb] A plea for simplicity, marketability… Wolfgang Beck