Re: [rtcweb] Summary of Application Developers' opinions of the current WebRTC API and SDP as a control surface

Peter Thatcher <pthatcher@google.com> Sat, 20 July 2013 01:24 UTC

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From: Peter Thatcher <pthatcher@google.com>
Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 18:24:11 -0700
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Subject: Re: [rtcweb] Summary of Application Developers' opinions of the current WebRTC API and SDP as a control surface
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You're surprised that the first web developers that try out WebRTC and have
feedback have experience with SIP and VoIP?  We shouldn't find that
surprising, nor should we discount their feedback because of it.

In any case, it's the best data we've got so far.  I made an effort to some
data because no one else had.  If you would like to make an effort to get
better feedback, I'd more than welcome it.  In fact, I'd say you ought not
to have waited for me to do it.


On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 6:20 PM, Cullen Jennings <fluffy@iii.ca>; wrote:

>
> Thanks,
>
> I will note that over half of that very small sample set is folks that
> have been long termed involved in SIP and VoIP so, uh, might not be a
> representative sample of type of people you are portraying it as.
>
>
> On Jul 19, 2013, at 7:51 AM, Peter Thatcher <pthatcher@google.com>; wrote:
>
> > Here you go:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 7:00 AM, Cullen Jennings <fluffy@iii.ca>; wrote:
> > Can someone please email a full copy of the spreadsheet to the list so
> it is in the archives - thanks
> >
> > On Jul 9, 2013, at 3:18 AM, Iñaki Baz Castillo <ibc@aliax.net>; wrote:
> >
> > > 2013/7/9 Stefan Håkansson LK <stefan.lk.hakansson@ericsson.com>;:
> > >> I want to be very clear and careful on what I say. So I am repeating:
> > >>
> > >> * My comment that I think Eric is right in that there is consensus on
> > >> providing APIs that allow most use-cases to be met without SDP
> mangling
> > >> is meant only in that context: SDP O/A is kept (and PeerConnection
> more
> > >> or less as is and so on).
> > >
> > > Hi Stefan,
> > >
> > > You insist that "there is consensus on keeping SDP O/A but providing a
> > > better API". Given current discussions IMHO it is clear there is not
> > > such a consensus (not at all). Or may be you are just talking about
> > > two years ago in some IETF meeting (if so I'm sorry).
> > >
> > > Please review the results in
> > >
> https://docs.google.com/a/aliax.net/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AuaKXw3SkHMSdHlZdV9RN0xSWFhybVl4anJLRkVPV0E#gid=1
> > >
> > >  Bad for advanced stuff: 94%
> > >  OK for 1.0: 40%
> > >
> > > IMHO such a result indicates all but "let's keep SDP O/A and improve a
> > > bit the API" (I mean now, in July 2013).
> > >
> > >
> > > Best regards.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Iñaki Baz Castillo
> > > <ibc@aliax.net>;
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> >
> > <Input from JS Developers on their experience with the WebRTC API -
> Inputs.csv>
>
>