Re: [rtcweb] [clue] ICE, ICE-bis, and Cluster 238

Nils Ohlmeier <nohlmeier@mozilla.com> Fri, 07 September 2018 20:01 UTC

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Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2018 13:01:09 -0700
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Subject: Re: [rtcweb] [clue] ICE, ICE-bis, and Cluster 238
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> On Sep 6, 2018, at 13:24, Cullen Jennings <fluffy@iii.ca> wrote:
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> Cisco has implemented stuff that is WebRTC 1.0 compliant without this change. These gratuitous changes, years after the implementation were coded, with no real benefit will ensure that we are not and will not become compliant with the RFC. It's unlikely we will upgrade to the new ICE until it has real befits. It is doubtful Justin will want to implement the 8445 mechanisms of supporting both new and old ICE. Instead, we will move to say "works with Browser X version Y or later.”

Obviously I’m not Justin.
But the current plan for Firefox is to implement support for 8845 some time in 2019 and then have support for 5245 and 8845 going forward.

Best regards
  Nils Ohlmeier