Re: [rtcweb] Microsoft tells W3C and IETF what we are doing no signs of offering real world interoperability

Lorenzo Miniero <lorenzo@meetecho.com> Tue, 07 August 2012 12:28 UTC

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Subject: Re: [rtcweb] Microsoft tells W3C and IETF what we are doing no signs of offering real world interoperability
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On Tue, 7 Aug 2012 11:57:39 +0200
Tim Panton <tim@phonefromhere.com> wrote:

> Ok, the timing is unfortunate, but can you honestly say that we didn't know that this was skype/microsofts opinion? We just chose to ignore it because it was inconvenient. 
> 
> Now that it is out there, are we seriously going to ignore a document with _those_ authors from a major browser maker and a team with extensive experience in the field jus because it is late!?!? 
> 


An "unfortunately major" browser maker, I'd say, especially considering its well known history of poor adherence to standards (go tell the poor web developers out there), and this latest untimely post of theirs doesn't seem to change that. RTCWEB wasn't born yesterday, they've had more than a year to contribute, and claiming that a team at Microsoft can do better than 100s people contributing here and in the W3C seems a bit pretentious. I agree that the post probably contains some useful feedback, and ignoring it is unwise, but not it if that means changing too much on what we already have.

L.


> Tim, speaking for himself. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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> On 6 Aug 2012, at 19:11, Alexey Aylarov <alexey@zingaya.com> wrote:
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> > It was easy to expect from company which tries to build its own standards all the time instead of team work on open technologies. If they want to live in their own universe - it's their choice. We need to continue team work on the future of open web communications.
> > 
> > "Cullen Jennings (fluffy)" <fluffy@cisco.com> wrote:
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> >> 
> >> I see that Microsoft decided to wait until the W3C and IETF were close to done before putting together a proposal that, if accepted, would explode most the current works and create maximal delay on this work. 
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> >> http://blogs.skype.com/en/2012/08/customizable_ubiquitous_real_t.html
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