Re: [rtcweb] Require/Suggest AEAD GCM for SRTP

Philipp Hancke <fippo@goodadvice.pages.de> Wed, 10 July 2019 20:20 UTC

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Subject: Re: [rtcweb] Require/Suggest AEAD GCM for SRTP
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Am 10.07.19 um 20:25 schrieb Nils Ohlmeier:
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> As Firefox supports GCM already I’m in favor of adding it to the spec.
> 
> AFAIK GCM support in Chrome is behind a flag because they ran into some interop issues with early GCM implementations.
> 
> But it is pretty late in the standardization process to make/request such changes. I’ll leave it to other to judge this.

I don't think we need any mandatory requirement, we have negotiation 
built in. AES-NI does not require GCM though?

I tested GCM with both Chrome and Firefox, found a small bug in the 
latter (which was quickly fixed by you) but other than that it worked 
like charm.

How chrome solves their "stuff bitrotting behind flags forever" is not 
an IETF problem thankfully.