Re: [rtcweb] draft-ibc-rtcweb-sip-websocket -- WebSocket Transport for Session Initiation Protocol (SIP)
Iñaki Baz Castillo <ibc@aliax.net> Tue, 13 September 2011 18:20 UTC
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Subject: Re: [rtcweb] draft-ibc-rtcweb-sip-websocket -- WebSocket Transport for Session Initiation Protocol (SIP)
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2011/9/13 Ravindran Parthasarathi <pravindran@sonusnet.com>: > Hi Inaki, > > I like the idea of using SIP between browser & server. > > I really don't know the strong reason for tunneling SIP message within websocket. In fact, we are discussing SIP vs websocket in http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/rtcweb/current/msg01071.html mail thread as signaling protocol for RTCweb. Could you please mention the technical advantage in going in the path of SIP over websocket rather than having plain SIP connection over TCP or TLS or (UDP or DTLS). Hi Ravindran, SIP is a complex protocol and there are numerous extensions and features in many RFC's extending the SIP protocol. Having to rely on the features implemented in a native SIP stack within the web-browser seems not enough flexible IMHO. I also expect many limitations and lack-of-features in the different SIP implementations of each browser (and each version of the browser). In the other side, if the SIP stack is coded within a JavaScript library and makes usage of the WebSocket protocol, innovation depends on the developer and not on the browser native capabilities. A web page could offer a minimal SIP stack just implementing basic outgoing calls (i.e. "Click2Call" buttons in the web), while another web page could prefer to provide a powerful SIP stack implementing blink/attended transfer, subscription to presence and dialogs/calls, conference features, call-pickup, SIP messaging and so on (imagine such phone integrated within an enterprise intranet). I don't expect that the SIP stack integrated within *every* existing web-browsers would implement all those SIP features in a correct way (because that does not happen neither when using expensive SIP desktop phones or softphones). Also, the specification defined in the draft solves NAT issues (at signaling level) without requiring server side solutions for fixing NAT in clients. WebSocket protocol is becoming a new "transport" protocol. Implementing SIP protocol on top of it can only bring advantages and new possibilities. The specification in the draft is an adaptation of SIP to make use of WebSocket, as it already does with UDP, TCP and SCTP transports. BTW, as said in the first mail, we have published the draft after having a working prototype making usage of the specification described in the document. After that, we see no real advantage on having a native SIP stack within a web browser. The prototype will be shown soon. Best regards. -- Iñaki Baz Castillo <ibc@aliax.net>
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- Re: [rtcweb] draft-ibc-rtcweb-sip-websocket -- We… Roman Shpount
- Re: [rtcweb] draft-ibc-rtcweb-sip-websocket -- We… Iñaki Baz Castillo
- Re: [rtcweb] draft-ibc-rtcweb-sip-websocket -- We… Igor Faynberg
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