Re: [rtcweb] Alternative decision process in RTCWeb
Silvia Pfeiffer <silviapfeiffer1@gmail.com> Wed, 04 December 2013 21:08 UTC
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From: Silvia Pfeiffer <silviapfeiffer1@gmail.com>
To: Harald Tveit Alvestrand <harald@alvestrand.no>
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Subject: Re: [rtcweb] Alternative decision process in RTCWeb
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Such an "iframe"-only codec has interesting properties for seeking and video analysis, too, so might even be of general interest as a supported publishing format in the <video> element and certainly for recording. Silvia. On 5 Dec 2013 00:05, "Harald Alvestrand" <harald@alvestrand.no> wrote: > One interesting aspect of Motion JPEG is that several cameras implement > it when they have enough resolution that naked YUV is going to overload the > USB bus, but they don't want to spend the silicon (or licensing) to go all > the way to real video codecs. So there are software decoder implementations > around. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motion_JPEG#Digital_cameras > > On 12/04/2013 02:25 AM, David Singer wrote: > > > On Dec 2, 2013, at 18:36 , Stephan Wenger <stewe@stewe.org> <stewe@stewe.org> wrote: > > > 1. A reasonably well tuned H.261 codec (including pre/post filters etc.) > will under almost any circumstance produce a better picture than MJPEG. > The intra coding tools of H.261 have a lot in common with JPEG, and H.261 > offers inter picture prediction on top of that. > > > That may be true, but everyone has a JPEG implementation, its status is clear, and it does convey pictures. The RTP carriage is trivial, error resilience is excellent (all I pictures). Yes, you get low frame rates or small pictures, but it’s a fallback. > > Motion JPEG is not as bad a choice as all that. Anyone could implement it, and we could terminate this endless discussion with a decision that could, in fact, be respected by implementations. > > I still doubt whether people would consider it worthwhile spending engineer time and so on, on developing an H.261 solution, whereas JPEG (as a codec) is still in heavy use elsewhere. > > Nonetheless, I still think H.263 deserves a more careful look. I know Stephan is negative, but so far, he’s the only one. For those who DON’T currently implement H.263, could/would you? > > > David Singer > Multimedia and Software Standards, Apple Inc. > > _______________________________________________ > rtcweb mailing listrtcweb@ietf.orghttps://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtcweb > > > > _______________________________________________ > rtcweb mailing list > rtcweb@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtcweb > >
- Re: [rtcweb] Alternative decision process in RTCW… Ted Lemon
- Re: [rtcweb] Alternative decision process in RTCW… Ted Lemon
- Re: [rtcweb] Alternative decision process in RTCW… cowwoc
- Re: [rtcweb] Alternative decision process in RTCW… Dave Crocker
- Re: [rtcweb] Alternative decision process in RTCW… Eliot Lear
- Re: [rtcweb] Alternative decision process in RTCW… Ted Lemon
- Re: [rtcweb] Alternative decision process in RTCW… Bernard Aboba
- Re: [rtcweb] Alternative decision process in RTCW… DRAGE, Keith (Keith)
- Re: [rtcweb] Alternative decision process in RTCW… Ted Lemon
- Re: [rtcweb] Alternative decision process in RTCW… Ron
- Re: [rtcweb] Alternative decision process in RTCW… Michael Richardson
- Re: [rtcweb] Alternative decision process in RTCW… Maik Merten
- Re: [rtcweb] Alternative decision process in RTCW… Roger Jørgensen
- Re: [rtcweb] Alternative decision process in RTCW… Roberto Peon
- Re: [rtcweb] Alternative decision process in RTCW… cowwoc
- Re: [rtcweb] Alternative decision process in RTCW… Leon Geyser
- Re: [rtcweb] Alternative decision process in RTCW… Basil Mohamed Gohar
- Re: [rtcweb] Alternative decision process in RTCW… Mary Barnes
- Re: [rtcweb] Alternative decision process in RTCW… Bjoern Hoehrmann
- Re: [rtcweb] Alternative decision process in RTCW… Basil Mohamed Gohar
- Re: [rtcweb] Alternative decision process in RTCW… Bjoern Hoehrmann
- Re: [rtcweb] Alternative decision process in RTCW… Martin Thomson
- Re: [rtcweb] Alternative decision process in RTCW… Silvia Pfeiffer
- Re: [rtcweb] Alternative decision process in RTCW… Bjoern Hoehrmann
- Re: [rtcweb] Alternative decision process in RTCW… Stephan Wenger
- Re: [rtcweb] Alternative decision process in RTCW… Bernard Aboba
- Re: [rtcweb] Alternative decision process in RTCW… cowwoc
- Re: [rtcweb] Alternative decision process in RTCW… Basil Mohamed Gohar
- Re: [rtcweb] Alternative decision process in RTCW… Bjoern Hoehrmann
- Re: [rtcweb] Alternative decision process in RTCW… Max Jonas Werner
- Re: [rtcweb] Alternative decision process in RTCW… John Leslie
- Re: [rtcweb] Alternative decision process in RTCW… cowwoc
- Re: [rtcweb] Alternative decision process in RTCW… cowwoc
- Re: [rtcweb] Alternative decision process in RTCW… Dave Crocker
- Re: [rtcweb] Alternative decision process in RTCW… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [rtcweb] Alternative decision process in RTCW… Sam Hartman
- Re: [rtcweb] Alternative decision process in RTCW… Richard Shockey
- Re: [rtcweb] Alternative decision process in RTCW… David Singer
- Re: [rtcweb] Alternative decision process in RTCW… Maik Merten
- Re: [rtcweb] Alternative decision process in RTCW… Harald Alvestrand
- Re: [rtcweb] Alternative decision process in RTCW… Silvia Pfeiffer
- Re: [rtcweb] Alternative decision process in RTCW… Randell Jesup