Re: [rtcweb] Microsoft tells W3C and IETF what we are doing no signs of offering real world interoperability

"Kevin P. Fleming" <kpfleming@digium.com> Mon, 06 August 2012 21:07 UTC

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On 08/06/2012 03:19 PM, Justin Uberti wrote:
> Note also that pre- and post-processing of media are not covered by this
> proposal, those concepts are in the domain of MediaStream (and
> post-processing is possible today through various methods).
>
> In fact, I think the primary novel features of this proposal are:
> - SessionDescriptions are true objects, instead of wrappers around SDP
> - Additional control over the ICE Agent
>
> However, no use cases have yet been outlined that require this
> functionality.

I doubt you'll ever see a use case that *requires* SessionDescription 
objects, since the identical behavior can be achieved (in most cases) by 
handling SDP directly. As has been previously discussed, though, using 
objects would make life easier for JS developers, and might lead to more 
natural solutions to problems that have been recently posted on this 
list (like inspection of offers to determine which parts should be 
accepted and which should not).

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