Re: [rtcweb] Draft agenda for IETF 87
Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com> Thu, 11 July 2013 19:03 UTC
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Subject: Re: [rtcweb] Draft agenda for IETF 87
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On 11 July 2013 11:24, Cullen Jennings (fluffy) <fluffy@cisco.com> wrote: > On Jul 11, 2013, at 11:08 AM, Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com> wrote: >> On 11 July 2013 09:51, Ted Hardie <ted.ietf@gmail.com> wrote: >>> Should SDES be part of WebRTC security practice and, if so, how? >>> Presentations: 30 minutes >>> Discussion: 40 minutes >> >> Are the chairs confident that this topic can be resolved in this time? >> We managed to fritter a similar amount of time away without >> conclusion in the past. I can see how you plan to accommodate >> overruns, but that just opens the possibility more time-wasting. How >> do we ensure that this discussion actually concludes? > > Thought on how to make that happen? Time needed ? There are two aspects of this that I, personally, want to see resolved before I'm happy that we can conclude on this: - a story for the gateway-to-other-stuff scenarios (where other-stuff is mostly just all-the-existing-stuff) - a story for conference scenarios The first two could conclude that we need to re-encrypt at these points, but that would require some justification. Or we could conclude that we need SDES, or maybe that DTLS-SRTP+EKT is the right answer. I'm stretching my recall capacity, but I recall promises from several people to present on various aspects. If those presentations cover the ground well enough, then we can go into a discussion well-prepared. Time needed will then depend on the time that each presenter needs. If we can get to the point where the space is well-enough understood, we should be able to conclude. That does require a modest amount of time for each participant to make an impassioned plea at the mic. And pontification takes time. We may need to consider the alternative decision making process here. >>> Post-Plan A/Plan B MMUSIC discussion of impact to RTCWEB documents >>> Presentation: 30 minutes >> >> How are you planning to prepare for this? Do you have presenter >> candidates lined up? > > This is a very draft agenda - part of the issues is we are not even at the -00 draft deadline yet so I expect that by next week we should be able to figure out more details. We have scheduled the MMUSIC meetings before the RTCWeb meetings in Berlin so at some level, some of this may change after the MMUSIC meetings happen. Anyways, expect more details after we get to read all the drafts and expect us to be a bit dynamic on this given what happens in the MMUSIC meeting. You'd best have some candidates lined up to produce some discussion material in short order. >>> Chair Discussion: 10 minutes >> >> I'm curious how you intend to spend this time. > > We would like to inform folks of a few things happening in other WG (TURN, NAT, BEHAVE etc) but we would also like to have a discussion about what it takes to get to "Done" for the first iteration of all this stuff. We need to get WG feedback on what work is left and what needs to be prioritized. Thanks. That helps. That might be too short a time for that list.
- Re: [rtcweb] Draft agenda for IETF 87 Emil Ivov
- Re: [rtcweb] Draft agenda for IETF 87 Martin Thomson
- Re: [rtcweb] Draft agenda for IETF 87 Cullen Jennings (fluffy)
- [rtcweb] Draft agenda for IETF 87 Ted Hardie
- Re: [rtcweb] Draft agenda for IETF 87 Martin Thomson
- Re: [rtcweb] Draft agenda for IETF 87 Cullen Jennings (fluffy)
- Re: [rtcweb] Draft agenda for IETF 87 Martin Thomson
- Re: [rtcweb] Draft agenda for IETF 87 Adam Roach
- Re: [rtcweb] Draft agenda for IETF 87 Martin Thomson
- Re: [rtcweb] Draft agenda for IETF 87 Mary Barnes
- Re: [rtcweb] Draft agenda for IETF 87 Cullen Jennings (fluffy)
- Re: [rtcweb] Draft agenda for IETF 87 Stefan Håkansson LK
- Re: [rtcweb] Draft agenda for IETF 87 - FW Issues Hutton, Andrew
- Re: [rtcweb] Draft agenda for IETF 87 Iñaki Baz Castillo
- Re: [rtcweb] Draft agenda for IETF 87 Stefan Håkansson LK
- Re: [rtcweb] Draft agenda for IETF 87 Iñaki Baz Castillo
- Re: [rtcweb] Draft agenda for IETF 87 - FW Issues Cullen Jennings (fluffy)
- Re: [rtcweb] Draft agenda for IETF 87 - FW Issues Cullen Jennings (fluffy)
- Re: [rtcweb] Draft agenda for IETF 87 - FW Issues Hutton, Andrew
- Re: [rtcweb] Draft agenda for IETF 87 - FW Issues Cullen Jennings (fluffy)
- Re: [rtcweb] Draft agenda for IETF 87 - FW Issues Hutton, Andrew
- Re: [rtcweb] Draft agenda for IETF 87 Peter Thatcher
- Re: [rtcweb] Draft agenda for IETF 87 Hadriel Kaplan
- [rtcweb] A compromise for SDES Hadriel Kaplan
- Re: [rtcweb] Draft agenda for IETF 87 Stefan Håkansson LK
- Re: [rtcweb] A compromise for SDES Bernard Aboba
- Re: [rtcweb] A compromise for SDES Stefan Håkansson LK
- Re: [rtcweb] A compromise for SDES Roman Shpount
- Re: [rtcweb] A compromise for SDES Hrishikesh Kulkarni
- Re: [rtcweb] A compromise for SDES Peter Thatcher
- Re: [rtcweb] Draft agenda for IETF 87 Suhas Nandakumar
- Re: [rtcweb] A compromise for SDES Hutton, Andrew
- Re: [rtcweb] A compromise for SDES Salvatore Loreto
- Re: [rtcweb] A compromise for SDES Matthew Kaufman (SKYPE)
- Re: [rtcweb] A compromise for SDES Matt Fredrickson
- Re: [rtcweb] A compromise for SDES Hadriel Kaplan
- Re: [rtcweb] A compromise for SDES Parthasarathi R
- Re: [rtcweb] A compromise for SDES Cullen Jennings