Re: [rtcweb] Solutions sought for non-ICE RTC calls, not +1 (Re: Requiring ICE for RTC calls)

"Olle E. Johansson" <oej@edvina.net> Wed, 28 September 2011 19:07 UTC

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28 sep 2011 kl. 10:36 skrev Iñaki Baz Castillo:

> But I don't think the same for SRTP. I don't consider that content
> carried via plain RTP is more important than content carried via HTTP,
> and AFAIK HTTPS is not a requirement in RFC 2616, neither in any web
> browser.

If you look into your web browser, you will see that more and more sites are moving to only HTTPS. There's a reason for that. Facebook, Twitter and many others. Large sites that are not "banks", but social media or just information sites  like www.iis.se.

When HTTP was written there wasn't CPU enough to handle mandatory SSL. Now we have CPU power to handle it and encryption accelerators are much cheaper. The world is different and comparing  the situation we have now with what was reality when RFC 2616 was written is a bad comparision that I would not consider valid.

(Iñaki: I see that we have fun some discussions ahead of us at Voip2day.net in Madrid next week :-) )
/O