Re: [rtcweb] Video codecs: Clear positions....

Tim Panton <tim@phonefromhere.com> Tue, 09 December 2014 18:07 UTC

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> On 9 Dec 2014, at 17:56, cowwoc <cowwoc@bbs.darktech.org <mailto:cowwoc@bbs.darktech.org>> wrote:
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> On 09/12/2014 12:55 PM, Simon Perreault wrote:
>> 
>> On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 10:51 AM, cowwoc <cowwoc@bbs.darktech.org <mailto:cowwoc@bbs.darktech.org>> wrote:
>> That said, I echo Simon's point that until Apple and Microsoft officially declare their intent to implement WebRTC they are not "implicated", hence they should not really get to vote.
>> 
>> Just for the record, I did not say that.
>> 
>> Simon
> 
> Sorry for misquoting you. I think it was Tim Panton who first hinted in this direction.

I was being flippant. 

I do think however better standards emerge when people who consume webAPIs or build services upon ietf protocols 
are included in the discussion, not just the established browser vendors.

Tim.