Re: [rtcweb] Question about the status of various drafts

Hi Cullen,

I may missed something, but it seems a little strange to me when individual drafts, that haven't even been adopted yet, are indicated as 70-80% complete...

Some drafts have also expired.

Regards,

Christer

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-----Original Message-----
From: Cullen Jennings [fluffy@iii.ca]
To: Bernard Aboba [bernard_aboba@hotmail.com]
CC: rtcweb@ietf.org [rtcweb@ietf.org]
Subject: Re: [rtcweb] Question about the status of various drafts

Yah, I get your point. I will try and find a way to better represent this on the slides.

On Jul 5, 2013, at 3:25 PM, Bernard Aboba <bernard_aboba@hotmail.com> wrote:

> I think you need to take dependencies into account.   There are several reasons for this:
>
>    a. Until you've gone through the dependency graph for the items, the full list of documents that need to be tracked isn't known.
>    b. Estimates of completion are dependent on the progress of normative dependencies (e.g. they can't be published until the dependencies are resolved).
>
> As an example,  draft-ietf-rtcweb-overview (which is listed as 80 percent complete) has normative references to the following drafts:
>
>    [I-D.ietf-mmusic-sctp-sdp] 70
>    [I-D.ietf-rtcweb-audio] 50
>    [I-D.ietf-rtcweb-data-channel] 70
>    [I-D.ietf-rtcweb-jsep] 50
>    [I-D.ietf-rtcweb-rtp-usage] 40
>    [I-D.ietf-rtcweb-security] 80
>    [I-D.ietf-rtcweb-security-arch] 80
>    [I-D.nandakumar-rtcweb-stun-uri] 80
>    [I-D.tuexen-tsvwg-sctp-dtls-encaps] 70
>
> Since draft-ietf-rtcweb-overview is dependent on a document (rtp usage) which only has an estimate of 40 percent done) I'd say that the estimate is probably closer to 40 than 80.
>
>
> > From: fluffy@iii.ca
> > Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2013 17:47:20 -0700
> > To: rtcweb@ietf.org
> > Subject: [rtcweb] Question about the status of various drafts
> >
> >
> > As part of putting together some chair slides for Berlin, I'm trying to get a very rough idea of where things are. I'd like to get folks input on what percent done various drafts are where Done is a published RFC.
> >
> > This is nearly impossible to do at any level of accuracy but I do want to get a vague idea. I took a very rough stab below just to have a starting point to get the conversation going. I'm sure my numbers are mostly wrong but I have tried to ask a few people and sort of take the central cluster of the guess. If you think I am way out, please provide some feedback of what you think the number actually is.
> >
> > I'm happy to get feedback on specific drafts or feedback of the form they are all too low or too high. I do encourage people to realistically look at the data tracker to see how long other drafts have taken for each stage to get a baseline instead of just going with their gut feel.
> >
> > Thanks, Cullen
> >
> > PS - if you are an author and look at the number next to your draft and think it is way off, please please, say something.
> >
> >
> >
> > draft-ietf-rtcweb-overview   80
> > draft-ietf-rtcweb-use-cases-and-requirements        70
> > http://dev.w3.org/2011/webrtc/editor/getusermedia.html       70
> > draft-burnett-rtcweb-constraints-registry    80
> > http://dev.w3.org/2011/webrtc/editor/webrtc.html     50
> > draft-nandakumar-rtcweb-stun-uri     80
> > draft-petithuguenin-behave-turn-uris         80
> > draft-ietf-rtcweb-security   80
> > draft-ietf-rtcweb-security-arch      80
> > draft-muthu-behave-consent-freshness-02 50
> > draft-ietf-rtcweb-data-channel       70
> > draft-ietf-mmusic-sctp-sdp   70
> > draft-jesup-rtcweb-data-protocol 50
> > draft-ietf-tsvwg-sctp-dtls-encaps    70
> > draft-ietf-rtcweb-rtp-usage  40
> > draft-ietf-avtcore-6222bis   80
> > draft-ietf-avtcore-avp-codecs        80
> > draft-ietf-avtcore-srtp-encrypted-header-ext        80
> > draft-ietf-avtext-multiple-clock-rates       70
> > draft-lennox-rtcweb-rtp-media-type-mux 80
> > draft-ietf-avtcore-rtp-circuit-breakers      70
> > draft-ietf-avtcore-multi-media-rtp-session 70
> > draft-lennox-avtcore-rtp-multi-stream        70
> > draft-ietf-rtcweb-jsep       50
> > draft-ietf-mmusic-msid       70
> > draft-rescorla-mmusic-ice-trickle    25
> > draft-ietf-mmusic-sdp-bundle-negotiation    50
> > draft-nandakumar-mmusic-sdp-mux-attributes  25
> > draft-dhesikan-tsvwg-rtcweb-qos      10 or 90
> > draft-ietf-rtcweb-audio      50
> > draft-ietf-payload-rtp-opus  90
> > draft-ietf-payload-vp8-08    95
> >
> >
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