Re: [rtcweb] Nils comments [Was: WGLC for draft-ietf-rtcweb-ip-handling]
Justin Uberti <juberti@google.com> Mon, 30 April 2018 22:03 UTC
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From: Justin Uberti <juberti@google.com>
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2018 22:03:12 +0000
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Subject: Re: [rtcweb] Nils comments [Was: WGLC for draft-ietf-rtcweb-ip-handling]
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Any TURN server provided by the browser is in effect a proxy, and forcing use of said proxy can be done either through firewall config or explicit selection of Mode 4. (IOW, no new mode is needed.) The document originally pointed at RETURN as an example of how such TURN proxying could work, but was removed in order to avoid a dependency. On Fri, Apr 27, 2018 at 11:22 AM Cullen Jennings <fluffy@iii.ca> wrote: > > > On Apr 17, 2018, at 3:15 AM, Justin Uberti < > juberti=40google.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote: > > IMO "trusting the TURN relay but not the application" is not a significant > enough benefit to merit adding specific functionality for. > > > In the case were the TURN server is provided by the JS, I agree. But in > the case where the configuration of the browser provided the TURN server, > then I think it is as trusted as say a VPN server. > > >
- Re: [rtcweb] Nils comments [Was: WGLC for draft-i… Justin Uberti
- [rtcweb] WGLC for draft-ietf-rtcweb-ip-handling Sean Turner
- Re: [rtcweb] WGLC for draft-ietf-rtcweb-ip-handli… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [rtcweb] WGLC for draft-ietf-rtcweb-ip-handli… Justin Uberti
- Re: [rtcweb] WGLC for draft-ietf-rtcweb-ip-handli… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [rtcweb] WGLC for draft-ietf-rtcweb-ip-handli… Ted Hardie
- Re: [rtcweb] WGLC for draft-ietf-rtcweb-ip-handli… Justin Uberti
- Re: [rtcweb] WGLC for draft-ietf-rtcweb-ip-handli… Justin Uberti
- Re: [rtcweb] WGLC for draft-ietf-rtcweb-ip-handli… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [rtcweb] WGLC for draft-ietf-rtcweb-ip-handli… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [rtcweb] WGLC for draft-ietf-rtcweb-ip-handli… Cullen Jennings
- Re: [rtcweb] WGLC for draft-ietf-rtcweb-ip-handli… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [rtcweb] WGLC for draft-ietf-rtcweb-ip-handli… Ted Hardie
- Re: [rtcweb] WGLC for draft-ietf-rtcweb-ip-handli… Adam Roach
- Re: [rtcweb] WGLC for draft-ietf-rtcweb-ip-handli… Cullen Jennings
- Re: [rtcweb] WGLC for draft-ietf-rtcweb-ip-handli… Lennart Grahl
- Re: [rtcweb] WGLC for draft-ietf-rtcweb-ip-handli… westhawk
- Re: [rtcweb] WGLC for draft-ietf-rtcweb-ip-handli… Philipp Hancke
- Re: [rtcweb] WGLC for draft-ietf-rtcweb-ip-handli… Justin Uberti
- Re: [rtcweb] WGLC for draft-ietf-rtcweb-ip-handli… Balwant Bisht
- Re: [rtcweb] WGLC for draft-ietf-rtcweb-ip-handli… Lorenzo Miniero
- Re: [rtcweb] WGLC for draft-ietf-rtcweb-ip-handli… Iñaki Baz Castillo
- Re: [rtcweb] WGLC for draft-ietf-rtcweb-ip-handli… Justin Uberti
- Re: [rtcweb] WGLC for draft-ietf-rtcweb-ip-handli… Bernard Aboba
- Re: [rtcweb] WGLC for draft-ietf-rtcweb-ip-handli… Justin Uberti
- Re: [rtcweb] WGLC for draft-ietf-rtcweb-ip-handli… Lennart Grahl
- Re: [rtcweb] WGLC for draft-ietf-rtcweb-ip-handli… Sean Turner
- Re: [rtcweb] WGLC for draft-ietf-rtcweb-ip-handli… Lennart Grahl
- Re: [rtcweb] WGLC for draft-ietf-rtcweb-ip-handli… Justin Uberti
- Re: [rtcweb] WGLC for draft-ietf-rtcweb-ip-handli… Lennart Grahl
- Re: [rtcweb] WGLC for draft-ietf-rtcweb-ip-handli… westhawk
- Re: [rtcweb] WGLC for draft-ietf-rtcweb-ip-handli… T H Panton
- Re: [rtcweb] WGLC for draft-ietf-rtcweb-ip-handli… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [rtcweb] WGLC for draft-ietf-rtcweb-ip-handli… westhawk
- Re: [rtcweb] WGLC for draft-ietf-rtcweb-ip-handli… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [rtcweb] WGLC for draft-ietf-rtcweb-ip-handli… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [rtcweb] WGLC for draft-ietf-rtcweb-ip-handli… Cullen Jennings
- Re: [rtcweb] WGLC for draft-ietf-rtcweb-ip-handli… T H Panton
- Re: [rtcweb] WGLC for draft-ietf-rtcweb-ip-handli… Philipp Hancke
- Re: [rtcweb] WGLC for draft-ietf-rtcweb-ip-handli… Andy Hutton
- Re: [rtcweb] WGLC for draft-ietf-rtcweb-ip-handli… Cullen Jennings
- Re: [rtcweb] WGLC for draft-ietf-rtcweb-ip-handli… Justin Uberti
- Re: [rtcweb] WGLC for draft-ietf-rtcweb-ip-handli… Lennart Grahl
- Re: [rtcweb] WGLC for draft-ietf-rtcweb-ip-handli… Bernard Aboba
- Re: [rtcweb] WGLC for draft-ietf-rtcweb-ip-handli… Adam Roach
- Re: [rtcweb] WGLC for draft-ietf-rtcweb-ip-handli… Sean Turner
- Re: [rtcweb] WGLC for draft-ietf-rtcweb-ip-handli… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [rtcweb] WGLC for draft-ietf-rtcweb-ip-handli… Bernard Aboba
- Re: [rtcweb] WGLC for draft-ietf-rtcweb-ip-handli… Sean Turner
- Re: [rtcweb] WGLC for draft-ietf-rtcweb-ip-handli… Lennart Grahl
- Re: [rtcweb] WGLC for draft-ietf-rtcweb-ip-handli… Lorenzo Miniero
- Re: [rtcweb] WGLC for draft-ietf-rtcweb-ip-handli… Sean Turner
- Re: [rtcweb] WGLC for draft-ietf-rtcweb-ip-handli… Lennart Grahl
- Re: [rtcweb] WGLC for draft-ietf-rtcweb-ip-handli… Justin Uberti
- Re: [rtcweb] WGLC for draft-ietf-rtcweb-ip-handli… westhawk
- Re: [rtcweb] WGLC for draft-ietf-rtcweb-ip-handli… Balwant Bisht
- Re: [rtcweb] WGLC for draft-ietf-rtcweb-ip-handli… Justin Uberti
- Re: [rtcweb] WGLC for draft-ietf-rtcweb-ip-handli… Justin Uberti
- Re: [rtcweb] WGLC for draft-ietf-rtcweb-ip-handli… westhawk
- Re: [rtcweb] WGLC for draft-ietf-rtcweb-ip-handli… Justin Uberti
- [rtcweb] WGLC for draft-ietf-rtcweb-ip-handling Lennart Grahl
- Re: [rtcweb] WGLC for draft-ietf-rtcweb-ip-handli… Justin Uberti
- Re: [rtcweb] WGLC for draft-ietf-rtcweb-ip-handli… westhawk
- Re: [rtcweb] WGLC for draft-ietf-rtcweb-ip-handli… Justin Uberti
- Re: [rtcweb] WGLC for draft-ietf-rtcweb-ip-handli… Justin Uberti
- Re: [rtcweb] WGLC for draft-ietf-rtcweb-ip-handli… Adam Roach
- Re: [rtcweb] WGLC for draft-ietf-rtcweb-ip-handli… Cullen Jennings
- Re: [rtcweb] WGLC for draft-ietf-rtcweb-ip-handli… Nils Ohlmeier
- [rtcweb] Nils comments [Was: WGLC for draft-ietf-… Justin Uberti
- Re: [rtcweb] Nils comments [Was: WGLC for draft-i… Nils Ohlmeier
- Re: [rtcweb] Nils comments [Was: WGLC for draft-i… Nils Ohlmeier
- Re: [rtcweb] Nils comments [Was: WGLC for draft-i… Justin Uberti
- Re: [rtcweb] WGLC for draft-ietf-rtcweb-ip-handli… Lennart Grahl
- Re: [rtcweb] WGLC for draft-ietf-rtcweb-ip-handli… westhawk
- Re: [rtcweb] WGLC for draft-ietf-rtcweb-ip-handli… Justin Uberti
- Re: [rtcweb] WGLC for draft-ietf-rtcweb-ip-handli… Sean Turner
- Re: [rtcweb] WGLC for draft-ietf-rtcweb-ip-handli… Justin Uberti
- Re: [rtcweb] WGLC for draft-ietf-rtcweb-ip-handli… Nils Ohlmeier
- Re: [rtcweb] WGLC for draft-ietf-rtcweb-ip-handli… Justin Uberti
- Re: [rtcweb] WGLC for draft-ietf-rtcweb-ip-handli… Nils Ohlmeier
- Re: [rtcweb] WGLC for draft-ietf-rtcweb-ip-handli… Lennart Grahl
- Re: [rtcweb] WGLC for draft-ietf-rtcweb-ip-handli… Justin Uberti
- Re: [rtcweb] WGLC for draft-ietf-rtcweb-ip-handli… Lennart Grahl
- Re: [rtcweb] WGLC for draft-ietf-rtcweb-ip-handli… Sean Turner
- Re: [rtcweb] WGLC for draft-ietf-rtcweb-ip-handli… Justin Uberti
- Re: [rtcweb] WGLC for draft-ietf-rtcweb-ip-handli… Justin Uberti
- Re: [rtcweb] WGLC for draft-ietf-rtcweb-ip-handli… Nils Ohlmeier
- Re: [rtcweb] WGLC for draft-ietf-rtcweb-ip-handli… Justin Uberti
- Re: [rtcweb] Nils comments [Was: WGLC for draft-i… Cullen Jennings
- Re: [rtcweb] Nils comments [Was: WGLC for draft-i… Justin Uberti
- Re: [rtcweb] Nils comments [Was: WGLC for draft-i… Nils Ohlmeier
- Re: [rtcweb] Nils comments [Was: WGLC for draft-i… Justin Uberti
- Re: [rtcweb] Nils comments [Was: WGLC for draft-i… Sean Turner
- Re: [rtcweb] Nils comments [Was: WGLC for draft-i… Nils Ohlmeier
- Re: [rtcweb] Nils comments [Was: WGLC for draft-i… Justin Uberti
- Re: [rtcweb] Nils comments [Was: WGLC for draft-i… Cullen Jennings
- Re: [rtcweb] Nils comments [Was: WGLC for draft-i… Justin Uberti
- Re: [rtcweb] Nils comments [Was: WGLC for draft-i… Nils Ohlmeier
- Re: [rtcweb] Nils comments [Was: WGLC for draft-i… Sean Turner