Re: [rtcweb] Review request for RTCWeb standard signaling protocol
"Ravindran Parthasarathi" <pravindran@sonusnet.com> Mon, 17 October 2011 21:44 UTC
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From: Ravindran Parthasarathi <pravindran@sonusnet.com>
To: "Avasarala, Ranjit" <Ranjit.Avasarala@Polycom.com>, Iñaki Baz Castillo <ibc@aliax.net>
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Hi Ranjit, I agree with you for using signaling protocol to be used over websocket. Thanks Partha >-----Original Message----- >From: Avasarala, Ranjit [mailto:Ranjit.Avasarala@Polycom.com] >Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 10:39 PM >To: Ravindran Parthasarathi; Iñaki Baz Castillo >Cc: rtcweb@ietf.org >Subject: RE: [rtcweb] Review request for RTCWeb standard signaling >protocol > >Hi Partha > >Though I agree with you that SIP over Websockets is an overkill on web >browsers, there is a need for some kind of signaling protocol for >communicating offer / answer model between 2 web browser clients. This >was one of my comments on Inaki's SIP over Websockets transport. > >My point is there is a need for some kind of signaling protocol to be >used over Websockets - be it SIP or XMPP - but these should be used as >Websocket sub protocol. > >Regards >Ranjit >________________________________________ >From: rtcweb-bounces@ietf.org [rtcweb-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of >Ravindran Parthasarathi [pravindran@sonusnet.com] >Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 10:30 PM >To: Iñaki Baz Castillo >Cc: rtcweb@ietf.org >Subject: Re: [rtcweb] Review request for RTCWeb standard signaling >protocol > >The point to be noted is folks put forth the same argument again & >again..each time, it is not possible to come up new answer ;-) I noticed >often you complain as if your important is missed out. We are arguing >only about "nothing" vs "something" as a RTCWeb signaling protocol. > >I clearly explained why SIP over websocket is an overkill in the below >mail thread. Please read it and don't argue that it is working. All the >working stuff is not good. Infact for any protocol, the first idea pop- >up is to tunnel the complete inside (For Ex: ISUP over SIP) but always >better ways to solve it. > >I think that you confusing the argument with script & protocol. I agree >that WWW world works with PHP for server side and Javascript, CSS for >client side but I'm talking about HTTP protocol in case of legacy web. >Of course, HTTP is not designed for real-time communication. So, we need >some signaling protocol like Jingle, Websocket with offer/answer (ROAP) >to make it work. Let us talk about the protocol and not about the >programming environment. > >The base idea of defining the protocol is to provide the basic building >blocks and new service shall be developed using these building block. In >case basic building block is well defined, building the new service will >not be impossible. Normally, standard protocol will undergo through >review which the basic new service needs. > >I'm talking about the performance because I know that success story SIP >written in C over SIP written in Java. In case you argue for SIP plugin >vs native SIP, the performance may not be much difference. Also, the >download of the entire protocol is worse than in-build protocol by any >means. > >-Partha > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Iñaki Baz Castillo [mailto:ibc@aliax.net] >>Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 9:21 PM >>To: Ravindran Parthasarathi >>Cc: Tim Panton; rtcweb@ietf.org >>Subject: Re: [rtcweb] Review request for RTCWeb standard signaling >>protocol >> >>2011/10/17 Ravindran Parthasarathi <pravindran@sonusnet.com>: >> >>Again the same... >> >>Ravindran, you are repeating the *same* arguments in different >>mails/threads. You always *ignore* and don't reply to responses given >>to your arguments. You are also manipulating some given responses by >>making them to look as if their content agree with your insistent >>proposal. >> >>You are trying to manipulate this WG and that is dishonest. STOP >please. >> >>Unfortunatelly for you, your mails will always receive the deserved >>response: >> >> >> >>> <partha> I'm not favor Inaki solution of SIP over websocket because >it >>is >>> overkill for signaling protocol. >> >>Demonstrate it !!! >> >>I know that SIP over websocket is NOT an overkill (because I *use* >>it). You DONT KNOW the opposite. You CANNOT assert the opposite. >>Stop lying please! >> >> >>> Websocket solves routing issues between >>> browser-webserver- browser, so the lightweight protocol over >websocket >>will >>> be sufficient and there is no need of complicated SIP based >Javascript >>> stack. >> >>Use whatever you want but don't force me to use what you want. Neither >>insist on creating a "default signaling protocol" for the reaons given >>1000 times in this maillist (those reasons you ignore again and again >>and you will NEVER reply to). >> >> >>> Also, I'm not believer of the downloading complete signaling protocol >>script >>> because it will delay the setup time which is crucial in lot of real- >>time >>> application. Of course, it may not be critical for free application >>but not >>> for professional services. >> >>So you don't understand how the WWW works. The user visits a web page, >>the browser downloads all the HTML, CSS, images and JavaScript stuff >>and, *after that*, the web application is ready to be used. It does >>not depend just on having a signaling protocol built-in the browser. >> >>Now the problem is downloading a ~150KB JavaScript file??? There are >>images taking more space in lot of webs! >> >> >>> AFAIK, signaling protocol codebase expands very quickly with the >>addition of >>> new services and leads to more delay in the setup of the session. >> </partha> >> >>And how is supposed your proposed "default signaling protocol" to >>handle those "new services"? If you try NOW to make a "default >>signaling protocol" for RTCweb that means that you MUST know *NOW* all >>the possible requirements of any RTCweb future communication. You >>don't know them, I don't know them, nobody knows them! >> >> >> >> >>-- >>Iñaki Baz Castillo >><ibc@aliax.net> >_______________________________________________ >rtcweb mailing list >rtcweb@ietf.org >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtcweb
- [rtcweb] Review request for RTCWeb standard signa… Ravindran Parthasarathi
- Re: [rtcweb] Review request for RTCWeb standard s… Iñaki Baz Castillo
- Re: [rtcweb] Review request for RTCWeb standard s… Ravindran Parthasarathi
- Re: [rtcweb] Review request for RTCWeb standard s… Iñaki Baz Castillo
- Re: [rtcweb] Review request for RTCWeb standard s… Saúl Ibarra Corretgé
- Re: [rtcweb] Review request for RTCWeb standard s… Harald Alvestrand
- Re: [rtcweb] Review request for RTCWeb standard s… Bernard Aboba
- Re: [rtcweb] Review request for RTCWeb standard s… Ravindran Parthasarathi
- Re: [rtcweb] Review request for RTCWeb standard s… Iñaki Baz Castillo
- Re: [rtcweb] Review request for RTCWeb standard s… Ravindran Parthasarathi
- Re: [rtcweb] Review request for RTCWeb standard s… Tim Panton
- Re: [rtcweb] Review request for RTCWeb standard s… samuel
- Re: [rtcweb] Review request for RTCWeb standard s… Ravindran Parthasarathi
- Re: [rtcweb] Review request for RTCWeb standard s… Iñaki Baz Castillo
- Re: [rtcweb] Review request for RTCWeb standard s… Ravindran Parthasarathi
- Re: [rtcweb] Review request for RTCWeb standard s… Markus.Isomaki
- Re: [rtcweb] Review request for RTCWeb standard s… Neil Stratford
- Re: [rtcweb] Review request for RTCWeb standard s… Ravindran Parthasarathi
- Re: [rtcweb] Review request for RTCWeb standard s… Neil Stratford
- Re: [rtcweb] Review request for RTCWeb standard s… Iñaki Baz Castillo
- Re: [rtcweb] Review request for RTCWeb standard s… Tim Panton
- Re: [rtcweb] Review request for RTCWeb standard s… Hadriel Kaplan
- Re: [rtcweb] Review request for RTCWeb standard s… Saul Ibarra Corretge
- Re: [rtcweb] Review request for RTCWeb standard s… Neil Stratford
- Re: [rtcweb] Review request for RTCWeb standard s… Saul Ibarra Corretge
- Re: [rtcweb] Review request for RTCWeb standard s… Iñaki Baz Castillo
- Re: [rtcweb] Review request for RTCWeb standard s… Ravindran Parthasarathi
- Re: [rtcweb] Review request for RTCWeb standard s… Ravindran Parthasarathi
- Re: [rtcweb] Review request for RTCWeb standard s… Tim Panton
- Re: [rtcweb] Review request for RTCWeb standard s… Ravindran Parthasarathi
- Re: [rtcweb] Review request for RTCWeb standard s… Roy, Radhika R USA CIV (US)
- Re: [rtcweb] Review request for RTCWeb standard s… Ravindran Parthasarathi
- Re: [rtcweb] Review request for RTCWeb standard s… Iñaki Baz Castillo
- Re: [rtcweb] Review request for RTCWeb standard s… Ravindran Parthasarathi
- Re: [rtcweb] Review request for RTCWeb standard s… Avasarala, Ranjit
- Re: [rtcweb] Review request for RTCWeb standard s… Iñaki Baz Castillo
- Re: [rtcweb] Review request for RTCWeb standard s… Iñaki Baz Castillo
- Re: [rtcweb] Review request for RTCWeb standard s… Iñaki Baz Castillo
- Re: [rtcweb] Review request for RTCWeb standard s… Ravindran Parthasarathi
- Re: [rtcweb] Review request for RTCWeb standard s… Saúl Ibarra Corretgé
- Re: [rtcweb] Review request for RTCWeb standard s… Ravindran Parthasarathi
- Re: [rtcweb] Review request for RTCWeb standard s… Avasarala, Ranjit
- Re: [rtcweb] Review request for RTCWeb standard s… Iñaki Baz Castillo
- Re: [rtcweb] Review request for RTCWeb standard s… Saúl Ibarra Corretgé
- Re: [rtcweb] Review request for RTCWeb standard s… Ravindran Parthasarathi
- Re: [rtcweb] Review request for RTCWeb standard s… Roy, Radhika R USA CIV (US)
- Re: [rtcweb] Review request for RTCWeb standard s… Asveren, Tolga
- Re: [rtcweb] Review request for RTCWeb standard s… Tim Panton
- Re: [rtcweb] Review request for RTCWeb standard s… Roy, Radhika R USA CIV (US)
- Re: [rtcweb] Review request for RTCWeb standard s… Roy, Radhika R USA CIV (US)
- Re: [rtcweb] Review request for RTCWeb standard s… Tim Panton
- Re: [rtcweb] Review request for RTCWeb standard s… Ted Hardie
- Re: [rtcweb] Review request for RTCWeb standard s… Tim Panton
- Re: [rtcweb] Review request for RTCWeb standard s… Ravindran Parthasarathi
- Re: [rtcweb] Review request for RTCWeb standard s… Asveren, Tolga
- Re: [rtcweb] Review request for RTCWeb standard s… Iñaki Baz Castillo
- Re: [rtcweb] Review request for RTCWeb standard s… Asveren, Tolga
- Re: [rtcweb] Review request for RTCWeb standard s… Iñaki Baz Castillo
- Re: [rtcweb] Review request for RTCWeb standard s… Jim McEachern
- Re: [rtcweb] Review request for RTCWeb standard s… Asveren, Tolga
- Re: [rtcweb] Review request for RTCWeb standard s… Ted Hardie
- Re: [rtcweb] Review request for RTCWeb standard s… Asveren, Tolga
- Re: [rtcweb] Review request for RTCWeb standard s… Hadriel Kaplan
- Re: [rtcweb] Review request for RTCWeb standard s… Ted Hardie
- Re: [rtcweb] Review request for RTCWeb standard s… Ravindran Parthasarathi
- [rtcweb] Gateway need and usecase [was RE: Review… Ravindran Parthasarathi
- Re: [rtcweb] Gateway need and usecase [was RE: Re… Hadriel Kaplan
- Re: [rtcweb] Review request for RTCWeb standard s… Randell Jesup
- Re: [rtcweb] Review request for RTCWeb standard s… Randell Jesup
- Re: [rtcweb] Review request for RTCWeb standard s… Neil Stratford
- Re: [rtcweb] Review request for RTCWeb standard s… Tim Panton
- Re: [rtcweb] Review request for RTCWeb standard s… Tim Panton
- Re: [rtcweb] Review request for RTCWeb standard s… Neil Stratford
- [rtcweb] UI for getUserMedia() Randell Jesup
- Re: [rtcweb] Gateway need and usecase [was RE: Re… Ravindran Parthasarathi
- Re: [rtcweb] Gateway need and usecase [was RE: Re… José Luis Millán