Re: [rtcweb] Let's define the purpose of WebRTC

Neil Stratford <neils@belltower.co.uk> Wed, 09 November 2011 13:42 UTC

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From: Neil Stratford <neils@belltower.co.uk>
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Subject: Re: [rtcweb] Let's define the purpose of WebRTC
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On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 1:04 PM, DRAGE, Keith (Keith) <
keith.drage@alcatel-lucent.com> wrote:

>  If you want to be in the world of telecommunications you carry a legacy
> baggage.
>

Only at the point you want to interop with that legacy world. Skype did a
pretty good job of avoiding the legacy and changing users expectations of
telecommunications.

Your proposal to provide a gateway is just one way of dealing with the
> legacy baggage. It does however carry the downside that you need a player
> to provide such gateways in support of interworking to the legacy.****
>
> ** **
>
> Suppose I make an emergency call to a PSAP. The legacy baggage here is
> that unless someone volunteers to provide all those PSAPs worldwide with
> new kit, the majority will remain connected to the PSTN (i.e. not even
> SIP). I need a guarantee that someone out there will provide a gateway.
> Which player provides that in your business model.
>

If there is a market for interop (which there clearly is) then multiple
vendors will no doubt offer gateways. I'm just concerned that we are
talking about imposing legacy requirements on the core API, when WebRTC
seems an ideal opportunity to break away from that legacy.

Neil