Re: [rtcweb] Google VP8 Patent Grant for third parties [Was Re:Proposal for H.263 baseline codec]

Dean Willis <> Thu, 12 April 2012 07:03 UTC

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Subject: Re: [rtcweb] Google VP8 Patent Grant for third parties [Was Re:Proposal for H.263 baseline codec]
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On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 1:50 PM, Paul E. Jones <> wrote:

> You're ignoring one point I made.  Those involved in the creation of H.264
> have quite likely filed IPR statements with ISO or ITU.  If some other
> company were to come out of the closet on this with something that
> blindsides the industry, the industry would fight it.  At the very least,
> whatever bit of IPR that is claimed would have to be put into perspective
> with respect to the other hundreds of patents on H.264.
This actually is a good point. Since the existing H.264 claimants gain
revenue therefrom, they are likely to act to protect their share of the
revenue. It's kind of like the local mob keeping outsiders from putting the
squeeze on businesses in their domain.

On the other hand, if I can't afford to "buy in" to their protection racket
up front, my kneecaps might be in trouble.

So do you want a nice safe Northeastern city with a godfather who will make
you an offer you can't refuse, or a Wild West free-for-all with a mix of
hard working frontiersmen, militant ranch-barons, drunken cowboys, and the
occasional marauding aborigine?

Different strokes for different folks, I think.