Re: [rtcweb] Another consideration about signaling
Iñaki Baz Castillo <ibc@aliax.net> Mon, 10 October 2011 16:57 UTC
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Subject: Re: [rtcweb] Another consideration about signaling
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2011/10/10 Kevin P. Fleming <kpfleming@digium.com>: > That's correct; the only reason I brought it up is that the choice of SIP as > the RTCWEB signaling protocol, or something else, does not impact this at > all. Choosing Jingle does not make this easier for the web application > developer, and choosing SIP does not make it harder... in either case, they > either *are* the signaling endpoint at the server end, or they aren't. > Originally you had stated that if SIP was chosen, it would make this sort of > application harder to build, because the application would not be likely to > implement a SIP UA itself, and so it wouldn't have access to the session > state information. Not exactly, I meant that, in case the browser speaks *native* SIP with a centralized SIP proxy, then it would be hard to get sessions information in the web server (as it would require some custom and complex communication with the SIP proxy). The same if it's a XMPP server or whatever. But if the signaling is carried via HTTP or WebSocket, the siteadmin can choose to pass all the signaling through the web server so it would be fully aware of the sessions status. So I meant the server rather than the client. The client, of course, must know the sessions he is involved in :) > I'm not advocating that SIP be chosen... but for entirely different reasons The fact is that nobody advocates for a specific signaling protocol (well, just a person which insists and insists...). We need no default signaling protocol at all, but just freedom for each siteadmin to provide the signaling protocol it desired (of course, it should be carried via HTTP or WebSocket, as those protocols are the ones that a webbrowser can speak being controlled via JavaScript). Regards. -- Iñaki Baz Castillo <ibc@aliax.net>
- Re: [rtcweb] Another consideration about signaling Kevin P. Fleming
- [rtcweb] Another consideration about signaling Iñaki Baz Castillo
- Re: [rtcweb] Another consideration about signaling Henry Sinnreich
- Re: [rtcweb] Another consideration about signaling Dzonatas Sol
- Re: [rtcweb] Another consideration about signaling José Luis Millán
- Re: [rtcweb] Another consideration about signaling Kevin P. Fleming
- Re: [rtcweb] Another consideration about signaling José Luis Millán
- Re: [rtcweb] Another consideration about signaling Kevin P. Fleming
- Re: [rtcweb] Another consideration about signaling Iñaki Baz Castillo
- Re: [rtcweb] Another consideration about signaling Kevin P. Fleming
- Re: [rtcweb] Another consideration about signaling Iñaki Baz Castillo
- Re: [rtcweb] Another consideration about signaling Ted Hardie
- Re: [rtcweb] Another consideration about signaling Iñaki Baz Castillo
- Re: [rtcweb] Another consideration about signaling Ted Hardie
- Re: [rtcweb] Another consideration about signaling Randell Jesup
- Re: [rtcweb] Another consideration about signaling Iñaki Baz Castillo
- Re: [rtcweb] Another consideration about signaling Saúl Ibarra Corretgé
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