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Re: [rtcweb] Finishing up the Video Codec document, MTI (again, still, sorry)

"DRAGE, Keith (Keith)" <keith.drage@alcatel-lucent.com> Thu, 04 December 2014 20:43 UTC

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From: "DRAGE, Keith (Keith)" <keith.drage@alcatel-lucent.com>
To: David Singer <singer@apple.com>, Silvia Pfieffer <silviapfeiffer1@gmail.com>
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As a tangent to this discussion, I'd note that pretty much every codec implementor will be subject to additional IPR risk. This is because pretty much all the standards specifications of codecs only specify the decoder (VP8 included). Therefore any IPR claims and licences tied to the specification will only have relevance to the decoder.

Unless you have a viable application that only needs the decoder, you will have zero visibility in the standards IPR databases of what IPR claims might exist against your coder implementation.

Everyone who uses the term "codec" in association with "royalty free" or "IPR free" is misleading the world. What they mean is the decoder only.

Regards

Keith



> -----Original Message-----
> From: rtcweb [mailto:rtcweb-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of 
> David Singer
> Sent: 04 December 2014 20:31
> To: Silvia Pfieffer
> Cc: rtcweb@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: [rtcweb] Finishing up the Video Codec document, 
> MTI (again, still, sorry)
> 
> 
> > On Dec 4, 2014, at 12:20 , Silvia Pfeiffer 
> <silviapfeiffer1@gmail.com> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > On 5 Dec 2014 06:25, "David Singer" <singer@apple.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > > On Dec 3, 2014, at 21:16 , Silvia Pfeiffer 
> <silviapfeiffer1@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Indeed, that's why I said point 1. in David's list 
> doesn't make sense, since he's talking about a small company 
> getting sued by Nokia.
> > >
> > > So, your conclusion to my question is "Ship VP8, most of 
> you probably won't get sued. Good luck.  Try not to be too 
> successful or your luck may change."
> > 
> > Yes and it's the same answer as for h.264 and h.265 for that matter.
> 
> It is not at all.  Where are the "unwilling to license" 
> statements for H.264?  Where is the VP8 license coverage from 
> the larger players not in the MPEG-LA agreement?
> 
> > Only add to that the extra licence fee you heavy to pay, 
> which is a certainty - the risk of getting sued is uncertain 
> and frankly quite small compared to other risks that you take 
> as a small company.
> 
> See the other thread...
> 
> David Singer
> Manager, Software Standards, Apple Inc.
> 
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