Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtcweb@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtcweb@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C8A51A0685 for ; Wed, 5 Mar 2014 12:40:10 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.902 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.902 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zzWrhMdi_chz for ; Wed, 5 Mar 2014 12:40:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from na01-bn1-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-bn14138.inbound.protection.outlook.com [207.46.163.138]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7ADD1A0669 for ; Wed, 5 Mar 2014 12:39:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from DM2PR03CA009.namprd03.prod.outlook.com (10.141.52.157) by BLUPR03MB049.namprd03.prod.outlook.com (10.255.209.149) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.893.10; Wed, 5 Mar 2014 20:39:40 +0000 Received: from BN1BFFO11FD008.protection.gbl (2a01:111:f400:7c10::1:147) by DM2PR03CA009.outlook.office365.com (2a01:111:e400:2414::29) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.888.9 via Frontend Transport; Wed, 5 Mar 2014 20:39:40 +0000 Received: from mail.microsoft.com (131.107.125.37) by BN1BFFO11FD008.mail.protection.outlook.com (10.58.144.71) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.888.9 via Frontend Transport; Wed, 5 Mar 2014 20:39:39 +0000 Received: from TK5EX14MBXC296.redmond.corp.microsoft.com ([169.254.2.186]) by TK5EX14HUBC104.redmond.corp.microsoft.com ([157.54.80.25]) with mapi id 14.03.0174.002; Wed, 5 Mar 2014 20:39:00 +0000 From: "Matthew Kaufman (SKYPE)" To: Simon Perreault , "rtcweb@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [rtcweb] Transports: RFC 6062 support Thread-Index: AQHPOIP9MQysxUHuaES93/Eve9xs+5rSnXuAgAABcwCAAAaraYAAOvQAgAAUC3A= Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2014 20:39:00 +0000 Message-ID: References: , <4A409D06-511D-424D-8285-E38B3E08292D@skype.net> <53177A5E.7030704@viagenie.ca> In-Reply-To: <53177A5E.7030704@viagenie.ca> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [157.54.51.35] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-EOPAttributedMessage: 0 X-Forefront-Antispam-Report: CIP:131.107.125.37; CTRY:US; IPV:NLI; EFV:NLI; SFV:NSPM; SFS:(10009001)(6009001)(438001)(377424004)(377454003)(51704005)(13464003)(189002)(199002)(6806004)(19580405001)(19580395003)(83322001)(15975445006)(81686001)(69226001)(55846006)(23756003)(16601075003)(46102001)(74876001)(63696002)(4396001)(83072002)(47446002)(74502001)(85852003)(80976001)(79102001)(74706001)(77982001)(93136001)(59766001)(2656002)(87266001)(15202345003)(90146001)(56816005)(47776003)(20776003)(74366001)(87936001)(85306002)(77096001)(31966008)(44976005)(94316002)(76482001)(54316002)(65816001)(66066001)(80022001)(76786001)(76796001)(54356001)(53806001)(51856001)(93516002)(81542001)(86362001)(33656001)(95416001)(94946001)(49866001)(50986001)(81816001)(81342001)(47976001)(95666003)(47736001)(92566001)(92726001); DIR:OUT; SFP:1101; SCL:1; SRVR:BLUPR03MB049; H:mail.microsoft.com; CLIP:131.107.125.37; FPR:6C30C934.AF3297D2.81E13C73.D4DD1371.20212; MLV:sfv; PTR:InfoDomainNonexistent; MX:1; A:1; LANG:en; X-O365ENT-EOP-Header: Message processed by - O365_ENT: Allow from ranges (Engineering ONLY) X-Forefront-PRVS: 01415BB535 Received-SPF: Pass (: domain of skype.net designates 131.107.125.37 as permitted sender) receiver=; client-ip=131.107.125.37; helo=mail.microsoft.com; X-OriginatorOrg: skype.net Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/rtcweb/Ey5u7y0cmKw9sbLLIYAmGIf-TqY Subject: Re: [rtcweb] Transports: RFC 6062 support X-BeenThere: rtcweb@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Real-Time Communication in WEB-browsers working group list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2014 20:40:10 -0000 TRAM is solving the "without the assistance of the JavaScript" case (findin= g corporate servers or ISP servers)... I'm sure that some of the larger RTC= WEB application providers will be more than capable of figuring out which T= URN servers will be best to assign to their customers. Matthew Kaufman > -----Original Message----- > From: rtcweb [mailto:rtcweb-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Simon > Perreault > Sent: Wednesday, March 5, 2014 7:26 PM > To: rtcweb@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [rtcweb] Transports: RFC 6062 support >=20 > Le 2014-03-05 15:55, Matthew Kaufman (SKYPE) a =E9crit : > > if they each select TURN servers well you get TCP on the short legs > > and UDP on the long leg. >=20 > How would they "select TURN servers well"? >=20 > We have a milestone for solving that problem in TRAM, and no draft > currently adopted for it. >=20 > Simon > -- > DTN made easy, lean, and smart --> http://postellation.viagenie.ca > NAT64/DNS64 open-source --> http://ecdysis.viagenie.ca > STUN/TURN server --> http://numb.viagenie.ca >=20 > _______________________________________________ > rtcweb mailing list > rtcweb@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtcweb