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From: Hadriel Kaplan <HKaplan@acmepacket.com>
To: Magnus Westerlund <magnus.westerlund@ericsson.com>
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Subject: Re: [rtcweb] Current state of signaling discussion
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On Oct 18, 2011, at 8:55 AM, Magnus Westerlund wrote:

> We also have a third proposal that want to be included in the
> considerations:
> c) RTCWEB does not define any signaling behavior at all, instead W3C is
> tasked to develop an API that allows the application to establish the
> media session between peers.
>=20
> I have as WG chair requested that the proponents for C to produce a
> Internet draft that provides requirements on the API and its capability.
> This is to ensure that this proposal can be properly evaluated. So far
> no such contribution has occurred. Without a willingness from the
> proponents of this style of solution to contribute and evolve their
> thinking in such way that the other WG members can gain a better
> understanding of the implications of this solution I find it difficult
> for us include it in the up coming consensus call.

That was not my understanding of what you (the WG Chairs) were asking for. =
 The email from Ted asking for drafts was this:
http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/rtcweb/current/msg01761.html

My reading of that is it was asking for a concrete solution in the signalin=
g solutions discussion.  For those of us who feel there needs to be *no* st=
andard-defined signaling, it was asking us for the empty set.  We delivered=
.  :)

Now it sounds like you're asking for something different: requirements for =
the (W3C-defined) API.  I had assumed that's what draft-ietf-rtcweb-use-cas=
es-and-requirements was supposed to cover. No?

-hadriel

