Re: [rtcweb] Requiring ICE for RTC calls

I am sorry, but can you name "robust telephony services" that currently
provide ICE and SRTP support in US? AFAK Verizon, Qwest, Level3, Global
Crossing, Paetec, XO do not provide this.
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Roman Shpount

On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 10:55 AM, Justin Uberti <juberti@google.com> wrote:

> We can still talk to them via a media gateway, which robust telephony
> services will already provide for the reasons I mentioned previously.
>
> On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 10:49 AM, Roman Shpount <roman@telurix.com> wrote:
>
>> Sorry, correcting myself, there are over 5 billion mobile phones
>> worldwide. Are you sure we don't need to talk to them.
>> _____________
>> Roman Shpount
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>>
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>> On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 10:40 AM, Roman Shpount <roman@telurix.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Bernard,
>>>
>>> What about 500M Skype users? Skype for SIP does not support SRTP or
>>> ICE.What about 2 billion wireless subscribers? Despite what you think number
>>> of phones and phone numbers is growing, and a wast majority of these phones
>>> are dumb wireless phones.
>>> _____________
>>> Roman Shpount
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 11:44 PM, Bernard Aboba <
>>> bernard_aboba@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> > And "interoperability with SIP-PSTN providers" is only relevant if you
>>>> > are trying to turn the browser into another phone. We have enough
>>>> > phones. What we don't have are new real-time communication experiences
>>>> > that can only be created within this environment.
>>>>
>>>> [BA] I think you may be on to something here.  POTS lines are dropping
>>>> so rapidly
>>>> that wireline service won't even exist in some countries within a few
>>>> years.  While
>>>> PSTN interop may have been a key scenario in the early days of SIP, I
>>>> have serious
>>>> doubts as to how much attention we should pay to this in RTCWEB.
>>>> Ability to
>>>> make a call to an E.164 number?  Probably.  Support for every potential
>>>> corner
>>>> case?  Not necessarily.
>>>>
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