Re: [rtcweb] The MTI Codec Questions (what to ask and how to ask them)
Iñaki Baz Castillo <ibc@aliax.net> Thu, 06 November 2014 20:05 UTC
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From: Iñaki Baz Castillo <ibc@aliax.net>
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Subject: Re: [rtcweb] The MTI Codec Questions (what to ask and how to ask them)
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So the world WebRTC ecosystem will depend on Cisco. This is something unnaceptable and I hope the W3C won't make MTI a video codec under those circumstances. On 6 Nov 2014 20:11, "Mo Zanaty (mzanaty)" <mzanaty@cisco.com> wrote: > We are also working with Red Hat on a potential Gstreamer plugin. > We would be happy to work with Debian or anyone else on other wrappers > for projects that want to download some wrapper format beyond the raw > library. > > It would be ideal to have a single binary (per platform) that works for > all applications, without many different wrappers. That was the goal of > the raw library, but apparently this is not sufficient for most projects. > Until we reach an acceptable common wrapper (with verifiable builds), > we¹re happy to have folks contribute their desired wrapper for hosting. > Mozilla contributed the Firefox Gecko Media Plugin (GMP) wrapper. They > were first to contribute, so they were hosted first, not due to any > special privilege. > > Mo > > On 11/6/14, 1:29 PM, Ron <ron@debian.org> wrote: > On Wed, Nov 05, 2014 at 09:14:27PM -0800, Eric Rescorla wrote: > > On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 2:39 PM, tim panton <tim@phonefromhere.com> > wrote: > > > > > > Agreed, the worst aspect of any adoption of H264 is that it makes it > > > significantly more difficult to > > > produce a custom ¹secure¹ build of firefox that has been independently > > > reviewed for special use-cases > > > (press, humanitarian workers etc). > > > > Why is this true? We currently build OpenH264 and then send the binary to > > Cisco but keep a hash for comparison. Why is it more difficult to review > > this? > Is Cisco offering to ship such binaries for anyone who wants to build > them, or is this a special privilege they offered to you to win your > support for their scheme? > Ron > > _______________________________________________ > rtcweb mailing list > rtcweb@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtcweb >
- [rtcweb] The MTI Codec Questions (what to ask and… Sean Turner
- Re: [rtcweb] The MTI Codec Questions (what to ask… Bernard Aboba
- Re: [rtcweb] The MTI Codec Questions (what to ask… Cullen Jennings (fluffy)
- Re: [rtcweb] The MTI Codec Questions (what to ask… Matthew Kaufman
- Re: [rtcweb] The MTI Codec Questions (what to ask… Harald Alvestrand
- Re: [rtcweb] The MTI Codec Questions (what to ask… Jonathan Rosenberg
- Re: [rtcweb] The MTI Codec Questions (what to ask… Matthew Kaufman
- Re: [rtcweb] The MTI Codec Questions (what to ask… Alexandre GOUAILLARD
- Re: [rtcweb] The MTI Codec Questions (what to ask… Justin Uberti
- Re: [rtcweb] The MTI Codec Questions (what to ask… Emil Ivov
- Re: [rtcweb] The MTI Codec Questions (what to ask… Daniel-Constantin Mierla
- Re: [rtcweb] The MTI Codec Questions (what to ask… DRAGE, Keith (Keith)
- Re: [rtcweb] The MTI Codec Questions (what to ask… Sean Turner
- Re: [rtcweb] The MTI Codec Questions (what to ask… Daniel-Constantin Mierla
- Re: [rtcweb] The MTI Codec Questions (what to ask… Jonathan Rosenberg
- Re: [rtcweb] The MTI Codec Questions (what to ask… cowwoc
- Re: [rtcweb] The MTI Codec Questions (what to ask… Mary Barnes
- Re: [rtcweb] The MTI Codec Questions (what to ask… Christer Holmberg
- Re: [rtcweb] The MTI Codec Questions (what to ask… tim panton
- Re: [rtcweb] The MTI Codec Questions (what to ask… Stefan Håkansson LK
- Re: [rtcweb] The MTI Codec Questions (what to ask… Iñaki Baz Castillo
- Re: [rtcweb] The MTI Codec Questions (what to ask… cowwoc
- Re: [rtcweb] The MTI Codec Questions (what to ask… Victor Pascual Avila
- Re: [rtcweb] The MTI Codec Questions (what to ask… Justin Uberti
- Re: [rtcweb] The MTI Codec Questions (what to ask… Neil Stratford
- Re: [rtcweb] The MTI Codec Questions (what to ask… Daniel-Constantin Mierla
- Re: [rtcweb] The MTI Codec Questions (what to ask… Iñaki Baz Castillo
- Re: [rtcweb] The MTI Codec Questions (what to ask… Iñaki Baz Castillo
- Re: [rtcweb] The MTI Codec Questions (what to ask… tim panton
- Re: [rtcweb] The MTI Codec Questions (what to ask… Harald Alvestrand
- Re: [rtcweb] The MTI Codec Questions (what to ask… tim panton
- Re: [rtcweb] The MTI Codec Questions (what to ask… tim panton
- Re: [rtcweb] The MTI Codec Questions (what to ask… Daniel-Constantin Mierla
- Re: [rtcweb] The MTI Codec Questions (what to ask… Iñaki Baz Castillo
- Re: [rtcweb] The MTI Codec Questions (what to ask… Daniel-Constantin Mierla
- Re: [rtcweb] The MTI Codec Questions (what to ask… Iñaki Baz Castillo
- Re: [rtcweb] The MTI Codec Questions (what to ask… Iñaki Baz Castillo
- Re: [rtcweb] The MTI Codec Questions (what to ask… Daniel-Constantin Mierla
- Re: [rtcweb] The MTI Codec Questions (what to ask… Silvia Pfeiffer
- Re: [rtcweb] The MTI Codec Questions (what to ask… tim panton
- Re: [rtcweb] The MTI Codec Questions (what to ask… Iñaki Baz Castillo
- Re: [rtcweb] The MTI Codec Questions (what to ask… Rob Pickering
- Re: [rtcweb] The MTI Codec Questions (what to ask… Roman Shpount
- Re: [rtcweb] The MTI Codec Questions (what to ask… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [rtcweb] The MTI Codec Questions (what to ask… Stefan Håkansson LK
- Re: [rtcweb] The MTI Codec Questions (what to ask… tim panton
- Re: [rtcweb] The MTI Codec Questions (what to ask… tim panton
- Re: [rtcweb] The MTI Codec Questions (what to ask… Iñaki Baz Castillo
- Re: [rtcweb] The MTI Codec Questions (what to ask… Ron
- Re: [rtcweb] The MTI Codec Questions (what to ask… Mo Zanaty (mzanaty)
- Re: [rtcweb] The MTI Codec Questions (what to ask… Iñaki Baz Castillo
- Re: [rtcweb] The MTI Codec Questions (what to ask… cowwoc
- Re: [rtcweb] The MTI Codec Questions (what to ask… Iñaki Baz Castillo
- Re: [rtcweb] The MTI Codec Questions (what to ask… Ron
- Re: [rtcweb] The MTI Codec Questions (what to ask… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [rtcweb] The MTI Codec Questions (what to ask… Silvia Pfeiffer
- Re: [rtcweb] The MTI Codec Questions (what to ask… Sergio Garcia Murillo
- Re: [rtcweb] The MTI Codec Questions (what to ask… Iñaki Baz Castillo
- Re: [rtcweb] The MTI Codec Questions (what to ask… Sergio Garcia Murillo
- Re: [rtcweb] The MTI Codec Questions (what to ask… Sergio Garcia Murillo
- Re: [rtcweb] The MTI Codec Questions (what to ask… Ron
- [rtcweb] Warning gstreamer commercial (was Re: Th… Stefan Håkansson LK
- Re: [rtcweb] The MTI Codec Questions (what to ask… Bo Burman
- Re: [rtcweb] The MTI Codec Questions (what to ask… cowwoc
- Re: [rtcweb] The MTI Codec Questions (what to ask… Iñaki Baz Castillo
- Re: [rtcweb] The MTI Codec Questions (what to ask… Randell Jesup
- Re: [rtcweb] The MTI Codec Questions (what to ask… Sean Turner