Re: [rtcweb] HTTP Fallback draft

Iñaki Baz Castillo <ibc@aliax.net> Wed, 08 August 2012 15:10 UTC

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From: Iñaki Baz Castillo <ibc@aliax.net>
Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2012 17:10:16 +0200
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Subject: Re: [rtcweb] HTTP Fallback draft
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2012/8/8 Cameron Byrne <cb.list6@gmail.com>:
> Is this thread  really about the ietf engineering a way to by-pass network
> policy set by network operators?
>
> I do not believe that is acceptable.

Not exactly. Imagine the classic example of hotels providing free WiFi
(but just for HTTP and HTTPS). They do allow their clients to visit
web pages and, therefore, I could expect that they would also allow
any kind of communication that takes place within the web page.

WebRTC introduces UDP, RTP, ICE and more stuf into the WWW world.
These protocols could be blocked in some scenarios (hotel WiFi) but
that does not necessarily mean that the network admins want to block
WebRTC (since it occurs "within" the WWW they already allow).

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Iñaki Baz Castillo
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