Re: [rtcweb] H.261 vs No MTI
Leon Geyser <lgeyser@gmail.com> Fri, 08 November 2013 17:05 UTC
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Subject: Re: [rtcweb] H.261 vs No MTI
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Hi Tim, So the question is in the small likelihood that VP8/H.264 can't be negotiated and there is no transcoding in-between, is it better to show no video than some video? >>The final point against H261 is that it really isn't going to work well in 3g networks or 'edge of wifi' environments with >>constrained and lossy networks. That's where the growth is. How does dropping frames on H.264/VP8 differ from dropping frames on H.261? Hope it isn't a dumb question. On 8 November 2013 18:08, Tim Panton <thp@westhawk.co.uk> wrote: > > On 8 Nov 2013, at 15:56, cowwoc <cowwoc@bbs.darktech.org> wrote: > > > Hi Tim, > > > >> The user gets a totally variable experience based on factors she cant > control. There will be lots of dissatisfied users who's > >> first video call happened to be h261 and never go back to the service - > better to fail back to audio than connect with a poor experience. > > > > The argument is H.261 is better than transcoding, as opposed to H.261 is > better than VP8 or H.264. I'm *not* arguing the latter. If this turns out > that H.261 is so terrible for their particular use-case (it should be fine > for most), the application developer can still choose to do transcoding. > Mandating H.261 as MTI just gives them an extra option they normally > wouldn't have. > > > And that's the key difference between us, and where I changed my mind. It > isn't H261 vs nothing, it is H261 vs flash. > I do not want to be in a position where people can legitimately say of an > webRTC browser "it's better if you use flash". > Also, more options == bad thing. It means more testing, more crufty code, > more errors. > > The final point against H261 is that it really isn't going to work well in > 3g networks or 'edge of wifi' environments with > constrained and lossy networks. That's where the growth is. > T. > > > Tim Panton - Web/VoIP consultant and implementor > www.westhawk.co.uk > > > > _______________________________________________ > rtcweb mailing list > rtcweb@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtcweb >
- [rtcweb] H.261 vs No MTI (was: Alternative consen… cowwoc
- [rtcweb] Alternative consensus and MTI video code… Gregory Maxwell
- Re: [rtcweb] Alternative consensus and MTI video … Adam Roach
- Re: [rtcweb] Alternative consensus and MTI video … Gregory Maxwell
- Re: [rtcweb] Alternative consensus and MTI video … Ron
- Re: [rtcweb] Alternative consensus and MTI video … Adam Roach
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 vs No MTI cowwoc
- [rtcweb] On the form of the question (was Re: Alt… Adam Roach
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 vs No MTI Leon Geyser
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 vs No MTI (was: Alternative co… Tim Panton
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 vs No MTI Tim Panton
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 vs No MTI Leon Geyser
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 vs No MTI cb.list6
- Re: [rtcweb] On the form of the question (was Re:… Markus.Isomaki
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 vs No MTI cowwoc
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 vs No MTI cb.list6
- Re: [rtcweb] H.261 vs No MTI cowwoc
- Re: [rtcweb] On the form of the question (was Re:… Ron