Re: [rtcweb] Form of the video codec question

Matthew Kaufman <matthew.kaufman@skype.net> Wed, 31 October 2012 06:26 UTC

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From: Matthew Kaufman <matthew.kaufman@skype.net>
To: Ron <ron@debian.org>, "rtcweb@ietf.org" <rtcweb@ietf.org>
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Subject: Re: [rtcweb] Form of the video codec question
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> From: rtcweb-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:rtcweb-bounces@ietf.org] On
> Behalf Of Ron
> Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 5:43 AM
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> Didn't this group form precisely because the hopefully competent business
> people have so far only produced a diverse number of unacceptable
> solutions and people *really* wanted something better than that?

No, I don't believe that was the motivation for forming the RTCWEB working group.
 
> The choice of MTI codec here isn't a commercial decision, it's a technical one.
> If we make the right choice, we will ensure the broadest number of
> implementors have the option to use it, and the broadest number of
> implementations will be interoperable.

No, we won't. No matter what this WG decides, people who are not in the room will ultimately make the decision as to what business model they wish to pursue and what business risks they are willing to take... and thus whether or not their implementation will interoperate with others.
 	
Matthew Kaufman