Re: [rtcweb] SDP_PRANSWER followed by SDP_OFFER scenario in JSEP
Roman Shpount <roman@telurix.com> Mon, 14 May 2012 18:45 UTC
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From: Roman Shpount <roman@telurix.com>
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Subject: Re: [rtcweb] SDP_PRANSWER followed by SDP_OFFER scenario in JSEP
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On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 5:25 AM, Tim Panton <tim@phonefromhere.com> wrote: > > On 11 May 2012, at 15:26, Ejzak, Richard P (Richard) wrote: > > > Support for multiple registered contacts and (parallel) forking are > pretty fundamental to SIP. This has little to do with conferencing. Some > systems (not all) may support only serial forking or may serialize media > interactions associated with parallel forking, but forking remains widely > deployed and useful. > > > I have a feeling that it is mostly useful because SIP is managing both the > signalling and the identity. > In most WebRTC cases, the real identity of the user will be established > with a web protocol (perhaps OAuth). > The identity used in any browser based legacy signalling (e.g. SIP) will > be a second-order derived or temporary identity. > > In that case there is no need for SIP to use the same temporary identity > for both my phones, which (I think) > renders the forking case significantly less useful. > > I strongly disagree with this. I can still be calling somebody via, let's say, their email address and end up talking to two people using two different devices. I think there is always going to be the situation where one identity (email address, support link on the web site) will map to multiple physical end points. It is possible to resolve this identity to end point mapping using some sort of HTTP signaling before media connection is setup and then to generate offers for each end point, but this would make signaling more complex, and would slow down the call connect process by at least half the round trip time. _____________ Roman Shpount
- [rtcweb] SDP_PRANSWER followed by SDP_OFFER scena… Ravindran, Parthasarathi
- Re: [rtcweb] SDP_PRANSWER followed by SDP_OFFER s… Charles Eckel (eckelcu)
- Re: [rtcweb] SDP_PRANSWER followed by SDP_OFFER s… Nataraju A.B
- Re: [rtcweb] SDP_PRANSWER followed by SDP_OFFER s… Justin Uberti
- Re: [rtcweb] SDP_PRANSWER followed by SDP_OFFER s… Ejzak, Richard P (Richard)
- Re: [rtcweb] SDP_PRANSWER followed by SDP_OFFER s… Nataraju A.B
- Re: [rtcweb] SDP_PRANSWER followed by SDP_OFFER s… Ravindran, Parthasarathi
- Re: [rtcweb] SDP_PRANSWER followed by SDP_OFFER s… Ravindran, Parthasarathi
- Re: [rtcweb] SDP_PRANSWER followed by SDP_OFFER s… Harald Alvestrand
- Re: [rtcweb] SDP_PRANSWER followed by SDP_OFFER s… Roman Shpount
- Re: [rtcweb] SDP_PRANSWER followed by SDP_OFFER s… Roman Shpount
- Re: [rtcweb] SDP_PRANSWER followed by SDP_OFFER s… Harald Alvestrand
- Re: [rtcweb] SDP_PRANSWER followed by SDP_OFFER s… Christer Holmberg
- Re: [rtcweb] SDP_PRANSWER followed by SDP_OFFER s… Roman Shpount
- Re: [rtcweb] SDP_PRANSWER followed by SDP_OFFER s… Christer Holmberg
- Re: [rtcweb] SDP_PRANSWER followed by SDP_OFFER s… Harald Alvestrand
- Re: [rtcweb] SDP_PRANSWER followed by SDP_OFFER s… Ejzak, Richard P (Richard)
- Re: [rtcweb] SDP_PRANSWER followed by SDP_OFFER s… Ejzak, Richard P (Richard)
- Re: [rtcweb] SDP_PRANSWER followed by SDP_OFFER s… Christer Holmberg
- Re: [rtcweb] SDP_PRANSWER followed by SDP_OFFER s… Roman Shpount
- Re: [rtcweb] SDP_PRANSWER followed by SDP_OFFER s… Christer Holmberg
- Re: [rtcweb] SDP_PRANSWER followed by SDP_OFFER s… Roman Shpount
- Re: [rtcweb] SDP_PRANSWER followed by SDP_OFFER s… Randell Jesup
- Re: [rtcweb] SDP_PRANSWER followed by SDP_OFFER s… Roy, Radhika R CIV (US)
- Re: [rtcweb] SDP_PRANSWER followed by SDP_OFFER s… Christer Holmberg
- Re: [rtcweb] SDP_PRANSWER followed by SDP_OFFER s… Roman Shpount
- Re: [rtcweb] SDP_PRANSWER followed by SDP_OFFER s… Randell Jesup
- Re: [rtcweb] SDP_PRANSWER followed by SDP_OFFER s… Roman Shpount
- Re: [rtcweb] SDP_PRANSWER followed by SDP_OFFER s… Christer Holmberg
- Re: [rtcweb] SDP_PRANSWER followed by SDP_OFFER s… Roman Shpount
- Re: [rtcweb] SDP_PRANSWER followed by SDP_OFFER s… Christer Holmberg
- Re: [rtcweb] SDP_PRANSWER followed by SDP_OFFER s… Roman Shpount
- Re: [rtcweb] SDP_PRANSWER followed by SDP_OFFER s… Christer Holmberg
- Re: [rtcweb] SDP_PRANSWER followed by SDP_OFFER s… Justin Uberti
- Re: [rtcweb] SDP_PRANSWER followed by SDP_OFFER s… Ravindran, Parthasarathi
- Re: [rtcweb] SDP_PRANSWER followed by SDP_OFFER s… Cullen Jennings
- Re: [rtcweb] SDP_PRANSWER followed by SDP_OFFER s… Roman Shpount
- Re: [rtcweb] SDP_PRANSWER followed by SDP_OFFER s… Martin Thomson
- Re: [rtcweb] SDP_PRANSWER followed by SDP_OFFER s… Cullen Jennings
- Re: [rtcweb] SDP_PRANSWER followed by SDP_OFFER s… Cullen Jennings
- Re: [rtcweb] SDP_PRANSWER followed by SDP_OFFER s… Roman Shpount
- Re: [rtcweb] SDP_PRANSWER followed by SDP_OFFER s… Martin Thomson
- Re: [rtcweb] SDP_PRANSWER followed by SDP_OFFER s… Cullen Jennings
- Re: [rtcweb] SDP_PRANSWER followed by SDP_OFFER s… Justin Uberti
- Re: [rtcweb] SDP_PRANSWER followed by SDP_OFFER s… Cullen Jennings
- Re: [rtcweb] SDP_PRANSWER followed by SDP_OFFER s… Martin Thomson
- Re: [rtcweb] SDP_PRANSWER followed by SDP_OFFER s… Iñaki Baz Castillo
- Re: [rtcweb] SDP_PRANSWER followed by SDP_OFFER s… Roman Shpount
- Re: [rtcweb] SDP_PRANSWER followed by SDP_OFFER s… Cullen Jennings
- Re: [rtcweb] SDP_PRANSWER followed by SDP_OFFER s… Roman Shpount
- Re: [rtcweb] SDP_PRANSWER followed by SDP_OFFER s… Cullen Jennings
- Re: [rtcweb] SDP_PRANSWER followed by SDP_OFFER s… Ejzak, Richard P (Richard)
- Re: [rtcweb] SDP_PRANSWER followed by SDP_OFFER s… Neil Stratford
- Re: [rtcweb] SDP_PRANSWER followed by SDP_OFFER s… Randell Jesup
- Re: [rtcweb] SDP_PRANSWER followed by SDP_OFFER s… Victor Semanic
- Re: [rtcweb] SDP_PRANSWER followed by SDP_OFFER s… Ejzak, Richard P (Richard)
- Re: [rtcweb] SDP_PRANSWER followed by SDP_OFFER s… Ravindran, Parthasarathi
- Re: [rtcweb] SDP_PRANSWER followed by SDP_OFFER s… Tim Panton
- Re: [rtcweb] SDP_PRANSWER followed by SDP_OFFER s… Roman Shpount
- Re: [rtcweb] SDP_PRANSWER followed by SDP_OFFER s… Martin Thomson
- Re: [rtcweb] SDP_PRANSWER followed by SDP_OFFER s… Roman Shpount
- Re: [rtcweb] SDP_PRANSWER followed by SDP_OFFER s… Randell Jesup