Re: [rtcweb] Call for consensus on ICE transport parameter issue (February 15).
Justin Uberti <juberti@google.com> Fri, 08 February 2019 19:20 UTC
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Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2019 11:20:25 -0800
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Subject: Re: [rtcweb] Call for consensus on ICE transport parameter issue (February 15).
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On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 11:15 AM Roman Shpount <roman@telurix.com> wrote: > I am, obviously for this change. As far as I know additional complexity is > minimal if not completely non-existent. JSEP already requires m= and c= > line updates based on the default candidate. I do not think there is a lot > of extra effort in updating the same line based on the same input in two > places vs one place. > > I would also like to note that: > > 1. JSEP requires browsers to update the m= line more often then > mmusic-ice-sip-sdp or RFC 5245. For offers sent during ICE nomination > process, JSEP asks to set m= and c= line to the last used ICE candidate > pair. RFC 5245 asks in this case to set this to the default candidate pair, > which changes a lot less often. It is unclear what is the benefit of > additional JSEP requirement. It looks like some sort of left over logic > from re-nomination. This being said, it should not create any interop > issues and will simply creates additional complexity. > I agree that this should probably be removed from JSEP and codified in sip-sdp instead; as previously discussed, JSEP doesn't actually use this info. > > 2. JSEP can produce the answer where default candidate protocol does not > match the m= line protocol. This is an old RFC 5245 issue and can be fixed > in the future specification or mmusic-ice-sip-sdp. > This should probably also be fixed in sip-sdp. > > Regards, > _____________ > Roman Shpount > > > On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 1:43 PM Ted Hardie <ted.ietf@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Over the the past few weeks, the working group has discussed whether to >> adopt a change to JSEP which would adjust how the ICE proto line transport >> parameters are populated in certain mid-session offers where the final >> candidate is a TCP candidate. Outside of the extensive working group >> discussion on the mailing list, participants may also wish to review the >> follow issue: >> >> https://github.com/rtcweb-wg/jsep/issues/854 >> >> and the conversations related to these two pull requests: >> >> https://github.com/rtcweb-wg/jsep/pull/862 >> and >> https://github.com/rtcweb-wg/jsep/pull/863 >> >> The chairs believe that there is technical consensus that this proposed >> change would not materially affect JSEP-only exchanges, since this >> parameter is ignored in those. >> >> The remaining technical issues are: >> >> * whether making one of these changes would improve interoperability >> between WebRTC and non-WebRTC clients which use SIP/SDP. >> >> * whether the additional complexity in tracking the use of UDP vs. TCP >> and populating the parameter accordingly is onerous or unwarranted for >> WebRTC implementations. >> >> After reviewing the discussion to date, the chairs believe that there is >> rough consensus for the first point, though there is also broad agreement >> that the benefit of this change is currently theoretical, since no existing >> WebRTC browser implementation has relevant code. >> >> On the second point, the chairs believe that there is no consensus yet >> demonstrated. Because we believe that this is in part because the actual >> proposal has not been entirely clear, and the complexity is therefore >> somewhat hard to gauge, the chairs wish to make a specific call for >> consensus. >> >> Does the working group approve the change in the following PR: >> >> https://github.com/rtcweb-wg/jsep/pull/863 ? >> >> Working group participants who have objections to the change are asked to >> specify whether they believe it has a technical fault, whether they object >> on the basis of its complexity, or whether they have other issues related >> to the change they need to raise. >> >> The chairs are already aware of the objection of Eric Rescorla on the >> basis of complexity, and will factor it into the review. >> >> Please send comments by February 15th, 2019. >> >> regards, >> >> Ted Hardie and Sean Turner >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> rtcweb mailing list >> rtcweb@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtcweb >> > _______________________________________________ > rtcweb mailing list > rtcweb@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtcweb >
- [rtcweb] Call for consensus on ICE transport para… Ted Hardie
- Re: [rtcweb] Call for consensus on ICE transport … Roman Shpount
- Re: [rtcweb] Call for consensus on ICE transport … Justin Uberti
- Re: [rtcweb] Call for consensus on ICE transport … Christer Holmberg
- Re: [rtcweb] Call for consensus on ICE transport … Eric Rescorla
- Re: [rtcweb] Call for consensus on ICE transport … Ted Hardie
- Re: [rtcweb] Call for consensus on ICE transport … Justin Uberti