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David Singer <singer@apple.com> Tue, 16 December 2014 19:33 UTC

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> On Dec 16, 2014, at 7:35 , Harald Alvestrand <harald@alvestrand.no> wrote:
> 
> On 12/16/2014 04:21 PM, John Leslie wrote:
>> Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com> wrote:
>>> On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 7:03 AM, John Leslie <john@jlc.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I cry "TILT"! Let's have the WGC calling consensus publish the
>>>> text we're being asked to consent to.
>>> Huh? The relevant text is here:
>>> 
>>> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-rtcweb-video-03#section-5
>>    Perhaps it is; perhaps not: we'd have to listen to the audio to be
>> sure. Even after hearing the audio once, I'm not quite sure...
> 
> If the chairs say that the text in video-03 section 5 is the text they think they're calling consensus on, I'm happy to have consensus called on that.
> 
> It's close enough to what I believe we agreed on in Honolulu that I'm willing to consider the changes from what I remember editorial (the biggest difference I see offhand is the indentation of the future-pointing section, but there might have been grammar changes too.)
> 
> I agree that having the consensus-calling chair state that this text is what he's calling consensus on would be beneficial.

Unless I am being blind or lacking sufficient coffee, there is a problem:

"For the definitions of "WebRTC Brower," "WebRTC Non-Browser", and
   "WebRTC-Compatible Endpoint" as they are used in this section, please
   refer to [
I-D.ietf-rtcweb-overview
]."

Except I can’t find the text “non-browser” in the referenced document.  (And I don’t formally know what a Brower is either :-( [typo]).

If it means WebRTC Device, then this sentence comes into play

"All WebRTC browsers (UAs) are WebRTC devices, so any requirement on a
   WebRTC device also applies to a WebRTC browser.”

?

David Singer
Manager, Software Standards, Apple Inc.

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