Re: [rtcweb] Google VP8 Patent Grant for third parties [Was Re:Proposal for H.263 baseline codec]

"Kevin P. Fleming" <kpfleming@digium.com> Thu, 12 April 2012 16:10 UTC

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On 04/12/2012 02:21 AM, Olle E. Johansson wrote:

> This is really bad news for Open Source. Even if we try to get a way to pay for licenses, our business model is far away from understandable for most of the syndicates. I tried with the AMR codec once and it stopped at initial order quantity. Anything under 10.000 licenses was not up for discussion.
>
> G.729 is available on one-by-one basis which both Asterisk and FreeSwitch sell to users... I have no insight into how these agreements was worked out, but it at least indicates that someone tries to open up.

It is my understanding that the licensing arrangements that have been 
made for G.729 are no longer an option for new licensees (not offered by 
the consortium), and to my knowledge such arrangements have never been 
an option for any of the other voice/video codecs that our customers 
have asked us about (including H.264, the AMR family and others).

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