Re: [rtcweb] MTI Video Codec: a novel proposal

Bernard Aboba <bernard.aboba@gmail.com> Mon, 10 November 2014 08:00 UTC

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From: Bernard Aboba <bernard.aboba@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2014 22:00:30 -1000
To: Ron <ron@debian.org>
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Subject: Re: [rtcweb] MTI Video Codec: a novel proposal
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On Nov 9, 2014, at 6:00 PM, Ron <ron@debian.org>; wrote:
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> What am I missing that would encourage different behaviour to that in this case?

[BA] The IETF professes no expertise in assessing legal risk, nor does it make any warranties or provide indemnification. As a result implementers need to make their own risk assessments based on legal counsel, independent of any IETF recommendations. It is particularly telling that perhaps the most salient piece of new information is a draft summarizing legal proceedings.

Given that the key issue involves licensing fees and legal risk, the fullness of time is probably our best ally. Unfortunately time only provides legal clarity in spoonfuls, and a lengthy discussion between engineers about a legal matter probably would add a grain at best.