Re: [rtcweb] Proposed Video Selection Process

"Martin J. Dürst" <duerst@it.aoyama.ac.jp> Sat, 23 November 2013 09:37 UTC

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On 2013/11/23 10:44, Bernard Aboba wrote:
>> On Nov 22, 2013, at 8:20 AM, "Emil Ivov"<emcho@jitsi.org>;  said:
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>> If we can't reach consensus then we are in no position to mandate.
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> [BA] It strikes me that once we venture beyond consensus and running code into voting, we have left our home behind for someplace else whose principles should at the least be articulated.
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> For example, it would be helpful to understand whether we are now endorsing Kings and if so, whether the model is that of a constitutional monarchy, or more along the Absolutist line.

Voting and kings don't necessarily go together. There's for example a 
lot of voting in Switzerland, but no kings.

But seriously, I think one consequence of the IETF trying voting in this 
case might be that in other, potentially less disputed, cases, the 
people "in the rough" might cling to their position longer and demand 
voting too. So starting voting may turn out to be a first step onto a 
slippery slope.

Regards,   Martin.

> we could decide to emulate Louis XIV (a defender of The Divine Right of Kings).
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