Re: [rtcweb] The late, great RTCWEB

Silvia Pfeiffer <silviapfeiffer1@gmail.com> Wed, 14 August 2019 22:18 UTC

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Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2019 08:18:45 +1000
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Mission success!
Congratulations everyone!!


On Thu., 15 Aug. 2019, 5:12 am Ted Hardie, <ted.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:

> For those of you who like to flip to the end of a book:  with the entry of
> the final dependencies of its core work into the RFC Editor queue, the
> working group is closing.  The mailing list will remain open for
> discussion, and any trailing documents will be processed by Adam as AD
> sponsored or headed to DISPATCH.
>
> For those of you who wish to take a journey, open your books to IETF 80,
> in Prague <https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/80/rtcweb.html>; it's late
> March and Spring is in the air.  A large and plucky band of folks are
> trying to work out if it is possible to have real time communications in a
> browser without any plugins.  The resulting work will require protocol
> changes, new APIs, and a new level of cooperation between the IETF and the
> W3C.  The outlook is optimistic; the IESG agrees to a mailing list on April
> 4, 2011 and to make the effort a working group on May 3rd.
>
> Our first meeting as a working group was  IETF 81
> <https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/81/rtcweb.html>:  The rooms were large,
> the energy palpable, and the optimism at a quick and decisive effort had
> resulted in a charter with milestones like this:
>
> Goals and Milestones:
>
> Aug 2011 Architecture, Security, Privacy and Threat Model sent to W3C
>
> Aug 2011 Use cases, Scenarios, and Requirements document (I-D) sent to  W3C
>
> Sep 2011 Architecture and Security, Privacy, and Threat Model document(s)
> to IESG as Informational
>
> Sep 2011 Use cases, Scenarios, and Requirements for RTCWeb document sent
> to IESG as Informational
>
> Dec 2011 RTCWeb protocol profiles and Media format specification(s) to
> IESG as PS
>
> Dec 2011 Information elements and events APIs Input to W3C
>
> Apr 2012 API to Protocol mapping document submitted to the IESG as
> Informational (if needed)
>
> Ladies and gentleman, we are a bit late.
>
> During the time this working group was active, we went through multiple
> ADs: Gonzalo was succeeded by Alissa and then by Adam.  The Area we were
> in, RAI, was merged with APPS to create ART.  Magnus, one of the original
> WG chairs, had a baby and was succeeded by Sean, who then had a baby
> (Actually, make that two babies in both cases).  Cullen was eventually
> poached by his management to serve as CTO of Webex.
>
> The group was also prolific.  My personal archive for the mailing list
> shows just over 9000 messages, (though this is slightly inflated by my
> putting chair messages in there as well.)   The cluster of documents that
> is the output of the work in RTCWEB and in the working groups on whom we
> had dependencies has become legendary: cluster 238 gave rise to both some
> extraordinary dwell times (the data protocol and channel drafts are at 1679
> days, more than four and half years) and some RFC editor innovations (the
> creation of a cluster mailing list, so that AUTH48 changes are coordinated
> across groups).
>
> While the working group tussled over interoperability with non-browser
> systems and then on the implications of that decision for codecs, we lost
> some time.  We appear, however,  to have made up for it:  WebRTC is
> available in well over a billion applications or endpoints.  By the simple
> metrics of rough consensus and running code, it is a runaway success.
>
> On behalf of all the chairs and area directors who were part of the
> journey, for your contributions to that success, whether as document
> author, minute taker, jabber scribe, interim host, comment maker or poser
> of questions,
>
> many thanks,
>
> Ted Hardie
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