Re: [rtcweb] Requesting "SDP or not SDP" debate to be re-opened

Robin Raymond <robin@hookflash.com> Tue, 18 June 2013 17:20 UTC

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Subject: Re: [rtcweb] Requesting "SDP or not SDP" debate to be re-opened
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+1

... and to be clear it's SDP with offer/answer that really makes it 
horrible. Replacing with nicer JSON or a wrapper API solves nothing IMHO.

-Robin


> Iñaki Baz Castillo <mailto:ibc@aliax.net>
> 18 June, 2013 12:36 PM
>
> I would also appreciate that those in favour of mandating SDP as the
> core communication for WebRTC explain their rationale again (given the
> number of arguments against SDP and the frustration SDP is causing),
> and also that they give arguments and responses to all the SDP related
> issues nicely summarized in this mail:
>
> http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/rtcweb/current/msg07873.html
>