Re: [rtcweb] Making both VP8 and H264 MTI

Daniel-Constantin Mierla <miconda@gmail.com> Wed, 06 November 2013 09:30 UTC

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Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2013 10:30:53 +0100
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On 11/6/13 10:07 AM, cowwoc wrote:
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>     I don't understand why we are playing these semantic games.
>
>     If we mandate multiple codecs as MTI, and "something goes wrong" 
> (be it an IPR issue, security issue, etc)
As it stands today, there are well known IPR issues with h264. Cisco's 
move doesn't lift them.

So why to choose it if falls under the rules to remove it?

With both on board, I still expect the majority of the apps will 
implement only the most convenient for them, eventually expecting the 
other to have both. Then responsibility is getting divided, like "it's 
not _only_ my fault", blaming the other end point as well.

Daniel

> we have the ability remove that codec from MTI without breaking 
> interoperability. If we only mandate a single codec as MTI, there is 
> no such ability.
>
> Gili
>
> On 06/11/2013 3:53 AM, David Singer wrote:
>> On Nov 6, 2013, at 9:53 , bryandonnovan@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> "real IPR issue" :  ability to compile and distribute an h.264 codec 
>>> without getting a license and paying royalties.
>>>
>>> "not real IPR issue" : claims made against Opus by Qualcomm and Huawei
>> where does Nokia's statement fall, in your opinion?
>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 4:28 PM, <Markus.Isomaki@nokia.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Define "real IPR issue".
>>>
>>> Markus
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>> David Singer
>> Multimedia and Software Standards, Apple Inc.
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