Re: [rtcweb] RTT (was :No Plan )

Iñaki Baz Castillo <ibc@aliax.net> Mon, 03 June 2013 11:38 UTC

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From: Iñaki Baz Castillo <ibc@aliax.net>
Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2013 13:38:17 +0200
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Subject: Re: [rtcweb] RTT (was :No Plan )
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2013/6/3 Gunnar Hellstrom <gunnar.hellstrom@omnitor.se>:
> As I see it, RTCWEB has a goal to enable audio, video and data communication
> between a user in Website-A and a user in Website-B.

I strongly disagree. A WG won't change what the WWW wants, ant the WWW
has shown us, during years, a way of communication without real
interaction between different websites. Specifically users logged into
site-A don't directly interact with users logged into site-B, instead
site-A embed a JS code of site-B into the web, so users of site-B can
use site-B features (*same* JS app client in both users).


> My conclusion is again: whatever transport we select for Real-Time Text in
> the WebRTC environment, there is a need to standardize it.

My opinion is that we don't need a Real-Time Text specification in
WebRTC at all. We have DataChannel which means "realtime data", and
such a data can be text, images, binary content or whatever the
website wants to offer.


Regards.



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Iñaki Baz Castillo
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