Re: [rtcweb] H.264 versus VP8 - are we really going to spend 2 full hours rehashing this?

Gili,

The concern is around 2 hours on the agenda at the upcoming f2f meeting:
http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/rtcweb/current/msg09037.html

We already spent around hours on this topic at a previous f2f IETF.  Here's
the multi-media recording for your enjoyment:
http://ietf86.conf.meetecho.com/index.php/Recorded_Sessions#RTCWEB_III

BTW, Meetecho is a great way for remote folks to follow the f2f IETF
meetings.

Regards,
Mary.

On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 12:56 PM, cowwoc <cowwoc@bbs.darktech.org> wrote:

> Harald,
>
>     What's the alternative? Whether the discussion happens on the mailing
> list or a call it sounds to me like you've got people with entrenched
> views. I'll take this opportunity to remind you of another option: mandate
> a codec whose IPR has expired and have clients negotiate up from there.
> This compromise displeases everyone equally, but it allows us to proceed
> without any further delay.
>
> Gili
>
>
> On 14/10/2013 10:10 AM, Harald Alvestrand wrote:
>
>> I've read the H.264 Constrained Baseline proposal.
>>
>> It contains no information that hasn't been presented to the list long
>> ago; all but the performance evaluations were presented in Florida.
>>
>> I've written the VP8 proposal.
>> It contains new information, but only in the form of pointing out that
>> VP8 is more widely deployed, closer to being an ISO standard, and working
>> better than when we discussed this in Florida. It is also being universally
>> deployed in existing WebRTC implementations (Mozilla and Chrome).
>>
>> We know that for most participants, the IPR issue is the only real issue.
>> So far, I haven't seen any of the people who were saying "we want to ship
>> products but can't possibly use H.264" saying that they have changed their
>> minds.
>>
>> Yet the chairs are proposing the following 2-hour agenda:
>>
>> Frame discussions and process and agenda: 10 min (chairs)
>>
>> VP8 presentation with clarify questions -  25 min (???)
>>
>> H.264 presentation with clarify questions - 25 min (???)
>>
>> Microphone discussions of pro/cons - 40 min (all)
>>
>> Call the question - 10 min ( chairs )
>>
>> Wrap up and next steps - 10 min (chairs)
>>
>> Celebrate on our successful decision reach.
>>
>>
>> Don't we have ways in which we can make better use of 2 hours?
>>
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