Re: [rtcweb] AVPF [was: Encryption mandate (and offer/answer)]

Matthew Kaufman <matthew.kaufman@skype.net> Sat, 10 September 2011 20:39 UTC

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Subject: Re: [rtcweb] AVPF [was: Encryption mandate (and offer/answer)]
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On Sep 10, 2011, at 11:52 AM, Roman Shpount <roman@telurix.com> wrote:

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> On the related note, I do think that specifying and providing STUN and TURN servers should be responsibility of the RTC application developer and not the browser configuration. TURN server can consume quite a bit of bandwidth and one can see that they will be provided as a paid service in combination with RTC application itself.
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I think we need both... In a corporate environment, there might be the desire or need to send everything to a a TURN service operated by the organization, independently of whether or not the service provider operates such services.

Matthew Kaufman

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