Re: [rtcweb] Traffic should be encrypted. (Re: Let's define the purpose of WebRTC)

Hadriel Kaplan <HKaplan@acmepacket.com> Sun, 13 November 2011 12:02 UTC

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On Nov 13, 2011, at 6:38 AM, Iñaki Baz Castillo wrote:

> No, please, forget DTMF's. No more "SIP" nor "PSTN" in this WG.

First, DMTFs aren't just about SIP - it's used by other protocols as well.
But yes obviously it's about enabling WebRTC browsers to communicate with non-WebRTC peers, including those in SIP, such as IVRs and voicemail servers and so on - not just in "Telco's" but also in Enterprises.

Some people in this WG don't want to worry about that, which is fine - don't worry about it.  If you don't want to use RFC4733, your Javascript/Server code doesn't have to worry about it.  But some people in this WG *do* want to support interworking with other deployed devices/domains.  So long as the mechanisms needed to do so don't hurt WebRTC or force a specific architectural model, why do you care?

-hadriel