Re: [rtcweb] The Voting Process
Gaelle Martin-Cocher <gmartincocher@blackberry.com> Wed, 27 November 2013 20:31 UTC
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From: Gaelle Martin-Cocher <gmartincocher@blackberry.com>
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On the process: Could we try to reach a consensus by involving a multiple steps process? Could we structure the MTI question into three questions, with consensus being declared on one before moving onto the next? This way the question is structured as to find the last point at which a consensus can be achieved. This would look like: First step: determine the consensus for an MTI or not: 7. There is no MTI video codec Step two: determine the consensus for the "last resort" codec 6. All entities MUST support H.261 6. All entities MUST support H.263 9. All entities MUST support Theora Step three: determine if there is any further consensus on a better MTI proposition: 1. All entities MUST support H.264 2. All entities MUST support VP8 3. All entities MUST support both H.264 and VP8 4. Browsers MUST support both H.264 and VP8, other entities MUST support at least one of H.264 and VP8 5. All entities MUST support at least one of H.264 and VP8 8. 5+$last_resort, i.e. All entities MUST support $last_resort and all entities MUST support at least one of H.264 and VP8 10. All entities MUST implement at least two of {VP8, H.264, $last_resort} 12. All entities MUST support decoding using both H.264 and VP8, and MUST support encoding using at least one of H.264 or VP8 If there is no consensus at step 3, then use the consensus reached at step 2. If a consensus for an MTI is reached at step 1, but there is no consensus at step 2, then no MTI would be defined. Sincerely, Gaëlle From: rtcweb [mailto:rtcweb-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of cowwoc Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2013 2:08 PM To: rtcweb@ietf.org Subject: Re: [rtcweb] The Voting Process If you could come up with an alternative that works, great. The only reason we are voting is because all other options have failed. It is my understanding that we have the following options (from best to worst): 1. Come up with a better mechanism for establishing MTI, or 2. Vote for MTI, or 3. Give up and declare No MTI Gili On 27/11/2013 1:13 PM, Roman Shpount wrote: I am not sure about the rest of the group but from my point of view the proposed process clearly shows that IETF in general and this group in particular is not equipped to vote. I also strongly disagree that voting would produce a MTI video codec decision which would meaningful in any way. We need a way to find consensus regarding the MTI or drop the whole MTI idea (which would also require consensus). _____________ Roman Shpount _______________________________________________ rtcweb mailing list rtcweb@ietf.org<mailto:rtcweb@ietf.org> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtcweb --------------------------------------------------------------------- This transmission (including any attachments) may contain confidential information, privileged material (including material protected by the solicitor-client or other applicable privileges), or constitute non-public information. Any use of this information by anyone other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error, please immediately reply to the sender and delete this information from your system. Use, dissemination, distribution, or reproduction of this transmission by unintended recipients is not authorized and may be unlawful.
- [rtcweb] Video Codec Selection Alternatives 10 an… Magnus Westerlund
- Re: [rtcweb] Video Codec Selection Alternatives 1… Bjoern Hoehrmann
- Re: [rtcweb] Video Codec Selection Alternatives 1… Leon Geyser
- Re: [rtcweb] Video Codec Selection Alternatives 1… Christer Holmberg
- Re: [rtcweb] Video Codec Selection Alternatives 1… Magnus Westerlund
- Re: [rtcweb] Video Codec Selection Alternatives 1… John Leslie
- Re: [rtcweb] Video Codec Selection Alternatives 1… Markus.Isomaki
- Re: [rtcweb] Video Codec Selection Alternatives 1… Chenxin (Xin)
- Re: [rtcweb] Video Codec Selection Alternatives 1… cowwoc
- Re: [rtcweb] Video Codec Selection Alternatives 1… Magnus Westerlund
- Re: [rtcweb] Video Codec Selection Alternatives 1… Thomas Reisinger
- Re: [rtcweb] Video Codec Selection Alternatives 1… Magnus Westerlund
- Re: [rtcweb] Video Codec Selection Alternatives 1… Leon Geyser
- Re: [rtcweb] Video Codec Selection Alternatives 1… Magnus Westerlund
- Re: [rtcweb] Video Codec Selection Alternatives 1… Mishra, Sanjay
- Re: [rtcweb] Video Codec Selection Alternatives 1… Derek Pang
- [rtcweb] The Voting Process John Leslie
- Re: [rtcweb] Video Codec Selection Alternatives 1… Martin Thomson
- Re: [rtcweb] The Voting Process tim panton
- Re: [rtcweb] The Voting Process Roman Shpount
- Re: [rtcweb] The Voting Process Ron
- Re: [rtcweb] Video Codec Selection Alternatives -… Cullen Jennings (fluffy)
- Re: [rtcweb] The Voting Process Gaelle Martin-Cocher
- Re: [rtcweb] The Voting Process cowwoc
- Re: [rtcweb] Video Codec Selection Alternatives -… Mishra, Sanjay
- Re: [rtcweb] The Voting Process Silvia Pfeiffer
- Re: [rtcweb] The Voting Process Gaelle Martin-Cocher
- Re: [rtcweb] The Voting Process Gaelle Martin-Cocher
- Re: [rtcweb] The Voting Process Magnus Westerlund
- Re: [rtcweb] The Voting Process John Leslie
- Re: [rtcweb] The Voting Process Gaelle Martin-Cocher
- Re: [rtcweb] The Voting Process Magnus Westerlund
- Re: [rtcweb] The Voting Process Gaelle Martin-Cocher
- Re: [rtcweb] The Voting Process John Leslie