Re: [rtcweb] ~"I'd love it if patents evaporated...If not now, when"

Leon Geyser <lgeyser@gmail.com> Thu, 14 November 2013 20:30 UTC

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>>And if we consider cellular access to Internet, upstream bandwidth may be
even more limited. An MTI making mobile WEBRTC difficult is >>not easy to
embrace wholeheartedly considering we already have it WEBRTC in some mobile
browsers.

Technically H.261 can work at as low as 64Kbps. I doubt the upstream will
be lower than that.


On 14 November 2013 22:21, Göran Eriksson AP <goran.ap.eriksson@ericsson.com
> wrote:

>
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> 14 nov 2013 kl. 20:42 skrev "Jonathan Rosenberg" <jdrosen@jdrosen.net>;:
>
>   An important drawback of H.261 as MTI is interop with existing
> installed base. Very old conferencing systems and products may still have
> it since its easier to keep the code than delete it, but new platforms in
> the last few years will not have H.261.
>
>  I also disagree with the assertion that H.261 video is better than audio
> only. Video quality matters and I believe the higher quality we've been
> able to achieve in recent years due to the combo of better tech (ala H.264)
> along with faster networks is a material factor in the acceptance of video
> by end users. I think folks writing the apps should decide whether lousy
> video is good enough, and for business usage the answer is no.
>
>  Finally, don't overestimate the typical upstream bandwidth that is
> available to users across the Internet. Many of us here on this list
> probably have nice speedy high speed connections (I have fiber with 85/35
> service) and that is not the norm for the rest of the world.
>
>
>  And if we consider cellular access to Internet, upstream bandwidth may
> be even more limited. An MTI making mobile WEBRTC difficult is not easy to
> embrace wholeheartedly considering we already have it WEBRTC in some mobile
> browsers.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 5:08 AM, Silvia Pfeiffer <
> silviapfeiffer1@gmail.com>; wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 3:05 PM, Philipp Hancke
>> <fippo@goodadvice.pages.de>; wrote:
>> >> Okay, so I stand corrected (thank you for pointing this out).
>> >
>> >
>> > heh, I'm always surprised by how many people are completly unaware that
>> the
>> > innovations webrtc brings aren't new at all.
>>
>>  Right. HTML is just another word processing format, too. :-)
>> Silvia.
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